Amun-Ra : Youth Violence (Tick Tock)

Amun-Ra

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In agreement!

This is no reflection on the white community, but I am not worried about the problms there because I know they will be addressed. However, I am concerned that we have not paid enough attention to our own. we have excused far too much. I believe we must take our own selves to task and not let ourselves off the hook.

As an example. We have to demand that crimminals move out of our communitites. We cannot continue to allow them to live and trhrive in our communities. I know that we all like bargains and the "barbershop" bargain is one of the most infamous in the black community where known crooks and thugs coime to barbershops and beauty salons to sell hot goods. Yes, the bargains are great, but when we buy a hot television set, watch, ring, DVD etc., we are encouraging the practice that sooner or later will end up visiting our own houses. We have to say no! Or, we are just as guilty despite the great bargain, we are encouraging crime by buying stolen property.

You are so right! We have to start with ourselves and that willnot be easy.

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Walking the fence, again.

Well it looks like I'm walking the fence again on this one.

Ra, you keep saying that you aren't concerned about white folx. It is those rules that we are following, our problems are just a macrocosm(sp) of thier society.

Yes, we are killing each other over the things that they told us were of value. And it is over stupid ****.

However, i work with elementary students. I am seeing how they are being set up to fail or at best to become part of their working society. I'm seeing the teachers using outdated methods, or oldschool methods being thrown out for so-called "better" ones. I also see the biases, such as in standardized tests.

yes, I have seen parents who are not doing their part in their children educations. those are mostly the ones who have been failed themselves. or you see our children continually thrown out of class and schools. I see many teachers being complacent and not really caring about the children as individuals. they demand respect but give none to the child. we need to take more control over how we and who govern our children's lives.

more control does not mean just a good ***-kicking. I'm seeing these kids transferring this violence to other kids. I would like to see more teachers of color in the classroom and in the school period, custodians, social workers, teacher's assistants, etc. We need the village. I look after yours, you look after mine.

However, again, is this education to be used to become a part of working class or to build our own "schools" and communities. I concentrated on education because those lacking my most in these areas are more prone to become a criminal. They learn to street hustle. This also leads them to only care about themselves and the present. They aren't living for the future, so they care about no one else because they don't really care about themselves.

I think it is also important to teach our children how to walk away for ********. That they don't have to prove their worth by hurting others. But most often, when others make us feeling unworthy, we look for someone else use to lift us higher.

I'm don't mean to seem like I'm making excuses, I just know that this runs much deeper.
 

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U R Right!

I do not mean to diminish the big picture. All I want to do is narrow it down to scope we can start with and the one I know we can start with is close to home. Right in out houses, churches, recreation centers and schools. Yes, we are all influenced by greater society, but we must start with what we can control.

We can control what our kinds do in our homes. We can control what comes into out homes. We can even control, to a certain, extent, what comes into our communities. does this mean that we can change everything at this level? Of course not, the problem is much bigger than that, but I am speaking of the things we can control and our children are a starting point.

Outside society is a much more difficult task because of its size but even that can be handled if we lay the proper foundation in our own community. This does not have to be an issue like solving world hunger. All we need to do is stop one child from starving, or in this case, going wrong. That starts at home, then into the neighborhood until they reach that first day at school when they are exposed to so much more, but if we have started right at home, perhaps the corrections will need not be so dramatic but rather minor course changes.

I say I don't worry much about white folks because they have shown a remarkable tendency to mobilize when it become necessary and I think that black folks are no less concerned and no less abole to mobilize, but what they do cannot be our first concern, our first concern has always got to be what we do because it is we who care the most.

Granted, the messages that come from the media, society at large and indiscriminate broadcasts has its affect in all the communities, but we can only try to change them as they are driven by profits. When we hurt the profits we change the commercial society and the comercialized child.

In no way am I in disagreement with you because to me there is no right and wrong as far as solutions are concerned. Anything that is positive, proactive and shows concern for our children is the right way. It is doing nothing that I am against.


Ra
 

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Okay, I give...

I, again, agree totally with your last statement. I concede...

capitalism/commericalism=greed/death


Two questions:

What do you think of "communal living"?

Have you heard of "Powernomics" by Claud Anderson (I saw him on BET News about a weeks ago)?
 

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Various ideas on both!

Communal living has been a study topic for me. I have been investigating the ways of monogamy, serial monogamy, polygamy and polyandry for some time. It is intersting. You have provoked me into maybe doing apiece on it because a lot men and I suppose not a few women might think this is an answer.

Polygamy has at various times in history been accepted and encouraged, but I suppose you'd want to know the rest of the story? When the pros and cons are looked at, the many men might not feel so powerful about wanting to be involved in a polygamous marriage because of the great responsibility involved, including sexually.

I don't know much about Powernomics, but now I will be searching the web for a synopsis. I am always interested in new things.

Ra
 

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Okay, when i see communal living, I'm not necessarily taking about polygamous and those such. I'm talking a bout several families, maybe single mothers, sharing quarters, expenses, watching the village. Can you see this happening, would you be down for it, what do you think would be needed to make it work.

many people don't want to share their cars, homes, etc. There are other cultures you do this here. I'm in Minnesota and there is a large asian and african population here, they do tend to pool their resources and help build for all of them.

POWERNOMICS by Claud Anderson

he says that we, black people, has to have plan in order and established before 2005. he has written a 5 year plan (I guess he may be on CP time) :)


hold on, let me see if I can find what I post from another board. I'll be right back.

Wait for me????

LOL!!!
 

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Okay, I'm back....

I'm glad you stayed, that didn't take long at all, did it? :):):)

{{{{{{{sidebar, I should warn you, I'm a Leo. I've been reading Aqil readings. All that to say, I can be somewhat playful and sarcastic sometimes.}}}}}}}}

Okay back to our regularly scheduled program:

I found it, tell me what you think.

He hits upon alot of issues, some listed here:

HOw integration was the worst mistakes that ever happened.

Black folx are the only ones wanting to integrate

How other ethnic groups and minorities are coming here. They don't want to integrate buy pool their power and keep their power as that group.

That we will now longer be the second largest population (blacks) and hispanics, asians, and arabs will outnumber us in the coming years. Hispanics already do.

How the schools do succeed. They succeed at making the black child feel marginal, set them up to work for their companies.

He pointed out the about 98% of black people work for someone other than a black person.

The large number of black people working in the government sector (compared this to slavery)

WE don't have anything of real substance and value, such as product to offer to the masses.

WE ask other to come in and give us the things we need.

he has a website:

http://www.powernomics.com

I usually don't read these types of books, but I think I'm about to break down.

He also said we are lacking black leaders. WE have had no one step up and build up economically.

This book sounds like a must read!!!
 

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Communal Living

Under measured circumstances, I would. It is clear that a pooling of resources can be beneficial to the community. However, within that community there would necessarily need to be firmly and clear established guidelines concerning group behavior and interaction. It is also at this time that the concept of property will also be challenged, so it would need to be dealt with beforehand. I am a firm believer that almosy any type of society can work as long as goals and consequences are made known and published first.

In the Western mode of thnking this would not be an easy accomodation considring Western notions of property and ownership and individuality. However, any thinking out side of the box is difficult at frist unti one becomes accustomed.

Clearly the benefits of raising children together, having constant father figures, an equal share of resources plus the support of other men and women could be very helpful. However, it is the nature of man (or woman) to try to dominate or to bring order from chaos and this probablity goes against true communcal living and instead creates a heirarchy of the most equal down to the less equal.

Still, it is a fascinating concept and one that I think is not out of the realm of possibilities in the African American community although adoptedreligions would play a serious role in detering its ever happening.

Don
 

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Hmmmmm....

You seem alittle pessimistic on this one. That's interesting.

Are you saying that you would want to dominate? also, do you think you could handle a relationship in a polygamous nature?

BTW, you have email...
 

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Not really

I am just always suspect of human nature. It is hard to subjugate yourself unless you see a benefit in doing so. The problem is that we all see things different. That's what has screwed up our governments around the world. Most of them are failry decent forms of government, it just that people screw them up.

Myself? Polygamy. Under the rules it would be a most difficult task. When one man married several women, it is his responsibility to provide, protect and make a positive environment for the wives and family. On the other hand, the women of a polygamous situation have each others as helpers from everything to child rearing to sex. Who ever doesn't have a headache get to go. They have built in company for each other.

A man must perform his duty and as much as we men would say I'm up for that part, the reality is that we don't deal well with one woman without training and I suspect that a polygamous relation might just chase some men far away because of the enormous responsibility.

Still, the pooling of resources and the sharing of work could be beneficial to all, as well as, the variety of viewpoints, ideas and knowledge that could be accrued. It could be very stimulating and beneficial.

Ra
 

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