Black Spirituality Religion : Yoruba philosophy of self-development

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Thank you for this Brother Sekhemu. I am currently reading Yoruba Culture - A Philosophical Account by Kola Abimbola (2006, UK). It has helped towards my inner-standing of Yoruba cosmology and the philosophical thought inherent in the traditional Yoruba cultures. The author gives his view of the word "Tradition" as being a world-view (ancient or contemporary) and not some fossilised relic of generations past. He says in his Preface: whilst tradition must of necessity be historical, it can also be dynamic, current, and responsive to change and modification - as long as continuity of some fundamental ideas and practices are maintained (Preface)

Many of us view ancient traditions or ways of the Elders as no longer relevant to the times today. In fact, it is because we fail to acknowledge such sacred disciplines of the past that we are in err today both inner and outer. One of my favourite sayings by one of our great Ancestor Dr. Henrik Clarke is, The events that transpired five thousand years ago, five years ago, or five minutes ago, have determined what will happen five minutes from now, five years from now or five thousand years from now. All history is a current event. So, we only have to look around to see the state of affairs in our societies manifesting of our minds and hearts and what disciplines, or lack of, we are generally living by.
Modupe Soulsophy

Both scholars are on point

The Odu Ifa is the sum total of yesterday, Today, and Tommorrow (this also said of Ausar).

As you said we as a people don't have to go looking anywhere to look find the solutions to our problems

Every single mystery of the macrocosm and microsm is contained in the 256 Odu. The question often becomes is are we willimg to sublimate the Ego to learn from other black folks.

Its no different from learning martial arts from the sensei in the Dojo it takes humility patience, fortitude, determination and character

Unfortunately many of us look at African spirituality as some sort of fossilized relic. Spiritual roadkill left on the metaphysical highway only to be devoured by new age vultures. Regurgitating bits and pieces of tried and true African traditions

The magnitude of our efforts are beyond my comprehenion but one thing I do know is if these efforts were cease the negating forces would have nothing to hold them back
 

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Every single mystery of the macrocosm and microsm is contained in the 256 Odu.
E pele o

That is true on so many levels.

I know this is way off topic, and kinda geeky, but has anyone ever discovered a coherent system of Mental Math in Odu Ifa, like Sri Bharati Krsna Tirthaji did in the Vedas (see Vedic Mathematics)?

Odabo
 

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E pele o

That is true on so many levels.

I know this is way off topic, and kinda geeky, but has anyone ever discovered a coherent system of Mental Math in Odu Ifa, like Sri Bharati Krsna Tirthaji did in the Vedas (see Vedic Mathematics)?

Odabo
Coherent system of mental math, I'm not altogether sure what that means lol. However here are some mathematics that might bring an added dimension

Here's a piece of info that fell into my lap

Let us take for example the Yoruba. The 29th March 2006, day of total solar eclipse in West Africa, the Ibaacha people chanted their ritual telling of the sun to let the moon go. The traditional song says: "Ojurun mu osupa, bi alele e jo e" which means: "the Eye of the sky ,sun(Olorun) has captured the moon, it will let her go when comes the evening" . The Idaacha eclipse song considers indeed the sun like a magnet which captures the moon and lets it go after some time. This sounds like the heliocentric conception model of the universe developed and defended by Galileo. From a comparitive standpoint, the difference is that the traditional Idaacha peoples knowledge is highly intuitive and oral, while the knowledge of Galileo is theoritical.

Again, the Yoruba Idaacha people, the reading of eight consecutive time zones from midnight, iwon ri iwon ogun mejo means "the adding of measurement" I measurement has seen measurement ans so on eight times, the process giving finally a total accumulation of eight measurements) is reminiscent of the practice of Italians who also used to count 24 hours consecutively and not twice a dozen hours. The practice is also that of the modern astronomers like Ptolemy who counted "24 hours consecutively between middays" If midnight is said to be called in Idaacha Iwon ri iwon (measurement has seen measurement 8 times) has been taken as the beginning and at the same time s the finishing point of the whole day, in other words, a time which goes from the unit time iwon (base of the measurement) to eight units, iwon ri iwon ogun mejo-measurement added 8 times.


According to a legend recounted by an Idaacha man in Magoumi Benin Republic, a Yoruba Idaacha man, who wanted to avoid having his four sons each hide in a corner of the rectangular ogba (hut), preferred to build a hut that was circular agbo, a word associated with the expression Ile eniyan or in shortened from amerin meaning house people four. In this way, the father ensures the unity and power of his family. In fact, for the man from Magoumi, the four corners of a rectangle are gathered together at the center of the circle. This is also the origin of then name given to the center of a circle eerin which means four. In traditional Yoruba enumeration, the series one, two, three, four, five, six etc corresponds to the sequence of cardinal numbers ookan, eeji, eeta, eerin....The equivalent numeric adjectives are mokan, meji, meta, merin....which are noun-phrases containing a verb. The verb that acts in them is mu, which means take or seperate. Thus the sequence is mu ookan (take one), mu eeji (take two), mu eeta (take three), mu erin (take four) ... etc. The imagining of the circle in the language system starts from the conception of the rectangle with its four corners dissolved in the center or four corners taken to the center, amu eerin meaning having taken away four.

It is this idea that is intuitively present in Yoruba cosmology. According to this cosmology the universe is round, and its creation starts with four corrnes (four obi?), the four points of the compass encoded in the language system as igun merin (angles four). The belielf that inspires the Yoruba traditional calendar with the four-day market cycle and the Yoruba four-day week, each of the four days having been given the name of the four most important deities in Yoruba history who created the universe, Orunmila, Obatala, Oduduwa, and Shango. Moreover, in the expression igun merin, angle four, igun is a noun in which, the verb gun expresses the idea of meeting or coming together and so, igun signifying corner expresses the notion of making two walls meet making a right angle. Thus, in Yoruba, Igun is in principle a right angle, and indeed the traditional house is rectangular ogba, with four right angles. Here we see how the conception of the circle is obtained starting with the center defining the totality, meaning the circle aand all his other elements in the "powerful" center. The traditional organizations of a Yoruba village and the family group can serve as a social illustration. The chief of the family group whose house is situated generally at the center of the family compound, in a Yoruba town or village, is indeed the baale agbo ile, chief circle houses which takes place the day of the sixth market after the death of a dead person, oja mefa (market six), in other words, six weeks of four days after the death

Here's where it gets really really interesting knowledge seed

More interesting, all the traditional ceremonies of the Idaacha {the ikodun (annual haverst ceremony to celebrate the sufferings of the year), the oja (the mortuary ceremony), the eru gbigba (the aquit-ment ceremony of the dead person) or the ode gbigbe (the hunter ceremony to acquit the dead person who has been a hunter in life)} are regenerative rituals that recreate the original time (titi lailai ati lailai) or lost in the past and deeply in the past. The most fundamental Yoruba deities and secondary deities are derived from the diagram of worldly creation Orita . In other words, they are derived from two and four. The most fundamental deities are 4 to the second power, or 2 to the 4th power=16 and secondary deities are 32, 64, 128, 256 (2 to the 5th, 2 to the 6th, 2 to the 7th, 2 to the 8th etc). The scale of sacred Yoruba values 1,2,4 and 8 (2 to 0, 2 to the 1st, 2 to the 2nd, 2 to the 3rd etc) and 16, 32, 64, 128, 258, are the products of the divining chain giving a total 256 divination chapters or ese which are all coded linguistically in the Yoruba language. It is not only an incorporation of cosmological standards and rationalizaion of life but the sytem affects intellectual activity. The Yoruba mental model built from cosmovision is a generative scheme that has founded the twenty base oral numeration system which was originally a five base system. The five base system moved then further to twenty base by the incorporation of cosmological mental model. It is this same principle that founded the binary hexadecimal code bases in Ifa. Indeed, in Ifa, it is the divining chaing (opele) as a medium and form of inscription that gives a place value numerations system. Because the cowry shells appear on two sides of the the divining chain and are aligned, viewed from the left to the right and bottom to top, there is a resource for the hexadecimal system to occur. The 256 Yoruba linguistice codes in Ifa are thus all hexadecimal and at the same time they are convertible binary codes. In the computer manchine language, a structurally identical system represents all numbers and all alphabetic characters that is the base of high modern computing. Ofcourse, the US army developed and used the same principle to improve its computer data system and organization in the sixties. It is the same principle which is nowadays generalized and is at the basis of the great computer data and audio evolution
 

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Coherent system of mental math, I'm not altogether sure what that means lol. However here are some mathematics that might bring an added dimension

Here's a piece of info that fell into my lap

Let us take for example the Yoruba. The 29th March 2006, day of total solar eclipse in West Africa, the Ibaacha people chanted their ritual telling of the sun to let the moon go. The traditional song says: "Ojurun mu osupa, bi alele e jo e" which means: "the Eye of the sky ,sun(Olorun) has captured the moon, it will let her go when comes the evening" . The Idaacha eclipse song considers indeed the sun like a magnet which captures the moon and lets it go after some time. This sounds like the heliocentric conception model of the universe developed and defended by Galileo. From a comparitive standpoint, the difference is that the traditional Idaacha peoples knowledge is highly intuitive and oral, while the knowledge of Galileo is theoritical.

Again, the Yoruba Idaacha people, the reading of eight consecutive time zones from midnight, iwon ri iwon ogun mejo means "the adding of measurement" I measurement has seen measurement ans so on eight times, the process giving finally a total accumulation of eight measurements) is reminiscent of the practice of Italians who also used to count 24 hours consecutively and not twice a dozen hours. The practice is also that of the modern astronomers like Ptolemy who counted "24 hours consecutively between middays" If midnight is said to be called in Idaacha Iwon ri iwon (measurement has seen measurement 8 times) has been taken as the beginning and at the same time s the finishing point of the whole day, in other words, a time which goes from the unit time iwon (base of the measurement) to eight units, iwon ri iwon ogun mejo-measurement added 8 times.


According to a legend recounted by an Idaacha man in Magoumi Benin Republic, a Yoruba Idaacha man, who wanted to avoid having his four sons each hide in a corner of the rectangular ogba (hut), preferred to build a hut that was circular agbo, a word associated with the expression Ile eniyan or in shortened from amerin meaning house people four. In this way, the father ensures the unity and power of his family. In fact, for the man from Magoumi, the four corners of a rectangle are gathered together at the center of the circle. This is also the origin of then name given to the center of a circle eerin which means four. In traditional Yoruba enumeration, the series one, two, three, four, five, six etc corresponds to the sequence of cardinal numbers ookan, eeji, eeta, eerin....The equivalent numeric adjectives are mokan, meji, meta, merin....which are noun-phrases containing a verb. The verb that acts in them is mu, which means take or seperate. Thus the sequence is mu ookan (take one), mu eeji (take two), mu eeta (take three), mu erin (take four) ... etc. The imagining of the circle in the language system starts from the conception of the rectangle with its four corners dissolved in the center or four corners taken to the center, amu eerin meaning having taken away four.

It is this idea that is intuitively present in Yoruba cosmology. According to this cosmology the universe is round, and its creation starts with four corrnes (four obi?), the four points of the compass encoded in the language system as igun merin (angles four). The belielf that inspires the Yoruba traditional calendar with the four-day market cycle and the Yoruba four-day week, each of the four days having been given the name of the four most important deities in Yoruba history who created the universe, Orunmila, Obatala, Oduduwa, and Shango. Moreover, in the expression igun merin, angle four, igun is a noun in which, the verb gun expresses the idea of meeting or coming together and so, igun signifying corner expresses the notion of making two walls meet making a right angle. Thus, in Yoruba, Igun is in principle a right angle, and indeed the traditional house is rectangular ogba, with four right angles. Here we see how the conception of the circle is obtained starting with the center defining the totality, meaning the circle aand all his other elements in the "powerful" center. The traditional organizations of a Yoruba village and the family group can serve as a social illustration. The chief of the family group whose house is situated generally at the center of the family compound, in a Yoruba town or village, is indeed the baale agbo ile, chief circle houses which takes place the day of the sixth market after the death of a dead person, oja mefa (market six), in other words, six weeks of four days after the death

Here's where it gets really really interesting knowledge seed

More interesting, all the traditional ceremonies of the Idaacha {the ikodun (annual haverst ceremony to celebrate the sufferings of the year), the oja (the mortuary ceremony), the eru gbigba (the aquit-ment ceremony of the dead person) or the ode gbigbe (the hunter ceremony to acquit the dead person who has been a hunter in life)} are regenerative rituals that recreate the original time (titi lailai ati lailai) or lost in the past and deeply in the past. The most fundamental Yoruba deities and secondary deities are derived from the diagram of worldly creation Orita . In other words, they are derived from two and four. The most fundamental deities are 4 to the second power, or 2 to the 4th power=16 and secondary deities are 32, 64, 128, 256 (2 to the 5th, 2 to the 6th, 2 to the 7th, 2 to the 8th etc). The scale of sacred Yoruba values 1,2,4 and 8 (2 to 0, 2 to the 1st, 2 to the 2nd, 2 to the 3rd etc) and 16, 32, 64, 128, 258, are the products of the divining chain giving a total 256 divination chapters or ese which are all coded linguistically in the Yoruba language. It is not only an incorporation of cosmological standards and rationalizaion of life but the sytem affects intellectual activity. The Yoruba mental model built from cosmovision is a generative scheme that has founded the twenty base oral numeration system which was originally a five base system. The five base system moved then further to twenty base by the incorporation of cosmological mental model. It is this same principle that founded the binary hexadecimal code bases in Ifa. Indeed, in Ifa, it is the divining chaing (opele) as a medium and form of inscription that gives a place value numerations system. Because the cowry shells appear on two sides of the the divining chain and are aligned, viewed from the left to the right and bottom to top, there is a resource for the hexadecimal system to occur. The 256 Yoruba linguistice codes in Ifa are thus all hexadecimal and at the same time they are convertible binary codes. In the computer manchine language, a structurally identical system represents all numbers and all alphabetic characters that is the base of high modern computing. Ofcourse, the US army developed and used the same principle to improve its computer data system and organization in the sixties. It is the same principle which is nowadays generalized and is at the basis of the great computer data and audio evolution
That's some deep science right there. Ethnomathematicians call that Fractal Geometry. Thats actually all divination is, using fractal geometry to tell the past, present, and future.

When I said "coherent system of mental math," I was referring to a small system of formulas that can be used to perform mathematical operations (addition, subtraction, etc), mentally (meaning no pen/pencil, paper, or calculator)

Here are the formulas for the "Vedic" system: http://www.vedicmaths.org/Free Resources/Sutras/Sutras.asp

Here are some of examples of them being applied:http://www.vedicmaths.org/Introduction/Tutorial/Tutorial.asp

Just wondering if anybody had discovered such a thing in the Odu Ifa or any other African religious/spiritual literature.
 

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That's some deep science right there. Ethnomathematicians call that Fractal Geometry. Thats actually all divination is, using fractal geometry to tell the past, present, and future.

When I said "coherent system of mental math," I was referring to a small system of formulas that can be used to perform mathematical operations (addition, subtraction, etc), mentally (meaning no pen/pencil, paper, or calculator)

Here are the formulas for the "Vedic" system: http://www.vedicmaths.org/Free%20Resources/Sutras/Sutras.asp

Here are some of examples of them being applied:http://www.vedicmaths.org/Introduction/Tutorial/Tutorial.asp

Just wondering if anybody had discovered such a thing in the Odu Ifa or any other African religious/spiritual literature.
Thanks again

I'm fairly familiar with fractal Geometry as well as sacred geomety. I created a thread on the latter a few years ago.

I'll provide you some more light on Ifa and the formulas you've inquired

As far as the Vedic formulas, help me understand what in the way of knowledge wisdom and understanding these formulas serve for the the elevation of conciousness.


I can relate to your point about divination, but in the context of the corpus of Ifa there's far more than meets the eye than that brotha.

My initiator taught me that there are at least four basic concerns with respect to divining

1. Development of divine and balanced character

2. The enhancement of philosophical and traditional religiousity

3. The strengthening of ancestral , family and community bonds.

4. The obtaining of stability, health and prosperity in both worldly and spiritual realms.

Not everyone is meant to be a diviner nor are they capable of doing so.

Sure, we can learn how to read cards, or use the I-Ching, but employing these methods does not make one a diviner.

There's a saying, The mysteries of Ifa cannot be experienced by intellectualizing
 

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Thanks again

I'm fairly familiar with fractal Geometry as well as sacred geomety. I created a thread on the latter a few years ago.

I'll provide you some more light on Ifa and the formulas you've inquired

As far as the Vedic formulas, help me understand what in the way of knowledge wisdom and understanding these formulas serve for the the elevation of consciousness.
They make mathematics a hell of a lot easier by uniting all of mathematics from Algebra up to at least Calculus into 16 formulas and 13 Sub-formulas.

can relate to your point about divination, but in the context of the corpus of Ifa there's far more than meets the eye that brotha.

My initiator taught me that there are at least four basic concerns with respect to divining

1. Development of divine and balanced character

2. The enhancement of philosophical and traditional religiousity

3. The strengthening of ancestral , family and community bonds.

4. The obtaining of stability, health and prosperity in both worldly and spiritual realms.

Not everyone is meant to be a diviner nor are they capable of doing so.

Sure, we can learn how to read cards, or use the I-Ching, but employing these methods does not make one a diviner.
Oh, indeed! I was strictly referring to the scientific sides of things. But, of course, good character is makes the person a diviner instead of a fortune teller.
 

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They make mathematics a hell of a lot easier by uniting all of mathematics from Algebra up to at least Calculus into 16 formulas and 13 Sub-formulas.


Oh, indeed! I was strictly referring to the scientific sides of things. But, of course, good character is makes the person a diviner instead of a fortune teller.
Lol I feel you knowledge seed

As you know, in traditional religion there is no seperation between the temporal and sacred

I'm sure there is a chapter in the odus that literally shed some light in stringing together the query you posed.

Next year with the assistance of the divinities I'll be in Nigeria and maybe an elder will divulge the ese to me. That being said I'll create a thread devoted to African sacred mathematics and would be honored by your isights and participatio.

Brotha meta if your reading this thread, this offer goes out to you as well
 

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I'm not sure if this is the one you both are looking for, but here is a link.

http://destee.com/forums/showthread.php?t=57274

If not, just let me know and i'll try to locate it again.

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Goddess PurpleMoons comes to my rescue once again. This is indeed the thread that I was asking the Elder about. Many thanks for conducting a search; you did not have to and I appreciate the concern.

:heart:

Alexandra
 

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Goddess PurpleMoons comes to my rescue once again. This is indeed the thread that I was asking the Elder about. Many thanks for conducting a search; you did not have to and I appreciate the concern.

:heart:

Alexandra
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You're welcome Sister! Glad i could help.

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They make mathematics a hell of a lot easier by uniting all of mathematics from Algebra up to at least Calculus into 16 formulas and 13 Sub-formulas.


Oh, indeed! I was strictly referring to the scientific sides of things. But, of course, good character is makes the person a diviner instead of a fortune teller.
What is math?

If spirit revealed through posssesion... or a let's say a medicine man/woman taught me how to communicate with plants, minerals and animals, by litterally taking me to learn in the "forest"... how much writing can I expect to do ?
 

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