Black People : Women and Children Homeless

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I understand what you are saying, but isn't putting a woman organization to take care of this problem or as you put it get their act together take time as well? Unless you are saying our men are all totally of oblivious of any sense of responsibility to help solve such a major issue in the community.
Actually, it will take less time. Two or more people can come together in association without the need for formatlities.
I'm not implying anyone is oblivious of anything. I'm speaking on dealing with the priorities of the here and now with the current resources at hand.

I need a roof over my head now. This doesn't prevent me from designing and planning towards building my future home.

I'm saying a woman with children has priorities that are in need of being addressed immediately.
Take care of the here and now doesn't mean to ignore the future.

Black-king said:
I would like to ask you why are you putting Black men and Black women as two separate different group of people? Aren't they a unit? from what I read from this thread, the women didn't just get the children on their own, men have contributed to the problems, why can't they also be part of the solution?
It seems to me you believe women working together precludes men. It doesn't have to be that way.
Given the scenario of a woman leaving a situation due to a domestic violence, it would make more sense to me that she would work with women given trauma and trust issues.

I see this as issues of practicality and likelihood. It will take less time and resources to organize with one or two other individuals than to wait on a group of people to change their values.

Black-king said:
I understand what you are saying, but I am not questioning women's ability to organize as there are many women organizations everywhere. But the problem that you are talking about is family structured one. The best way to solve it is not with women organizing to take care of other women only, but this should be a community resolved problem. the Fact is our women need to get their act together as well, and stop sleeping with irresponsible men that will leave homeless with children, and that also my friend is going to take time.
Another factor to take into account is that a person may not want to be involved with a given community.

What happens when an individual's will conflicts with the will of the community?

How about men exercise a bit more control over their sexual energy?
 

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Actually, it will take less time. Two or more people can come together in association without the need for formatlities.
I'm not implying anyone is oblivious of anything. I'm speaking on dealing with the priorities of the here and now with the current resources at hand.

I need a roof over my head now. This doesn't prevent me from designing and planning towards building my future home.

I'm saying a woman with children has priorities that are in need of being addressed immediately.
Take care of the here and now doesn't mean to ignore the future.
Again what I am asking is that what makes you think a woman organization would solve the problem easier than a combine effort? Yes but the key is that they are homeless and need help asap any good person in the community can help this isn't gender based solution.





It seems to me you believe women working together precludes men. It doesn't have to be that way.
Given the scenario of a woman leaving a situation due to a domestic violence, it would make more sense to me that she would work with women given trauma and trust issues.
That's an assumption, help is help as long as it being done in good faith.



How about men exercise a bit more control over their sexual energy?
You can't just ask the men to exercise control while you ignore the women, after all these women choose who they sleep with, again unless you are saying these women are incapable of making wise decision as they' re choosing their partners?[/QUOTE]
 

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Again what I am asking is that what makes you think a woman organization would solve the problem easier than a combine effort? Yes but the key is that they are homeless and need help asap any good person in the community can help this isn't gender based solution.
It solves the problem of rapidly securing resources to take care of children and the self.
The organization I proposed can be rapidly assembled. No need for formalities. The rights and responsibilities belong to the association. This also keeps politics to a minimum.

Rapidity and stability is key.

Black-king said:
That's an assumption, help is help as long as it being done in good faith.
I'm merely conveying my impression.


Black-king said:
You can't just ask to exercise control while you ignore the women, after all these women choose who they sleep with, again unless you are saying these women are incapable of making wise decision in choosing their partners?
True, but you can't control the behavior of others. You can only control yourself.
Some men seem really, really interested in controlling women and others rather than focusing on controlling self.

Are you saying that men are incapable of controlling their sexual energy?
 

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It solves the problem of rapidly securing resources to take care of children and the self.
The organization I proposed can be rapidly assembled. No need for formalities. The rights and responsibilities belong to the association. This also keeps politics to a minimum.

Rapidity and stability is key
My point is that creating a female organization to help these women is good but it won't solve the problem , if you ignore the root of it which is the lack of morals from of our men and women. The organization will keep bringing homeless women and children, while immoral men and women will keep doing the same thing over and over. it's like putting a patch on something that need to be surgically removed. There are probably many organizations of the such you are talking about already. Again I am only talking about the so called Black men and Black women because most our problems are deeply rooted and need more than just a simple quick fix.


True, but you can't control the behavior of others. You can only control yourself.
Some men seem really, really interested in controlling women and others rather than focusing on controlling self.

Are you saying that men are incapable of controlling their sexual energy?
No what I am saying is that there many men our community who don't really give a care about anything or anyone, and they are usually the ones these women go after. The men can't be any worse than the women who sleep with them.
 

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My point is that creating a female organization to help these women is good but it won't solve the problem , if you ignore the root of it which is the lack of morals from of our men and women. The organization will keep bringing homeless women and children, while immoral men and women will keep doing the same thing over and over. it's like putting a patch on something that need to be surgically removed. There are probably many organizations of the such you are talking about already. Again I am only talking about the so called Black men and Black women because most our problems are deeply rooted and need more than just a simple quick fix.
You go beyond the scope of the intended purpose.
The purpose is to secure resources for the women and children. Not to correct the ills of that society.

A woman with children needs resources immediately. Not tomorrow or the next day. Not a year from now.

Your point would have to be a separate plan of action with its own resources and strategy.

Black-king said:
No what I am saying is that there many men our community who don't really give a care about anything or anyone, and they are usually the ones these women go after. The men can't be any worse than the women who sleep with them.
No they can't. More than a few are much worse....
 
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