Pan-Africanism : Why It Isn't Possible For Black Americans To Appropriate African Culture


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Jan 14, 2005
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History Liberia is an example of what can go wrong when we (blacks) know we are Africans but Continental Africans know we are Not of them....we became an INTERLOPER. That is a very very different issue in that in Liberia and Sierra Leone the very very lost and confused Coloureds, Negros Blacks who had fought for the British in the American War of Independence were sent back to Africa [along with various white undesirables/ prostitutes from their jails and mental institutions] as they had survived the war but weren’t wanted in the UK, where they subsequently set themselves up as the ruling elite of these countries, repress the native Africans into the underclass in a virtually identical manner to whites; thus isn’t “INTERLOPER” too gentle a word for these so consistently treacherous BLACK NEGROBOTS?

To fulfill our main responsibility is to first know who we are? securing and developing our our communities - where we are and to advance forward and upward from thence. The role we are to play? What do we bring to the table. We have skills, the technical proficiency in every area of human activity that Africa NEEDS that are very rarely wanted or adequately rewarded in the West anyway, thus isn’t it obvious that we should focus on making the African Renaissance REAL in the 21st century?

Why are WE the only ethnic group on the planet using a colour [black as opposed to our original source, the African continent] to label our activities in every area of human activity as opposed to getting rid of one of the more obvious chains put in place over the last 500 years [as underlined by their being more than twice the number of USA citizens who label themselves as Irish and Swedish Americans, than the current population of Ireland or Sweden] whereas shouldn’t we be consciously embracing our African ethnicity? Language is fluid, meaning words can and do change meaning due to context and usage......Khemit means black and it was also the name of a nation state country land and its people. The label Black is part of a dichotomy of Post slavery Western society. AND?

What about my question/the manner in which in the USA the Italians, French, Greeks openly cherish their ethnic/national roots with the WASP’S especially those of English heritage truly believing it is their God given right to run both the USA and this planet in every area of human activity? Which African Nationality would you claim? cant. Because Most Africans Nations have only just become Nations What Tribe or ethnicity would you choose? do you know the language culture and customs? I have already explained why as opposed to being a problem isn’t not knowing the specifics as to our African heritage actually an opportunity to develop in a rationally pragmatic manner [underlined in bold above]?

Ethiopia* and Ghana has granted us the legal Right of Return.....not sure of any other It is their right......As it is ours. If they do.....we should challenge. What exactly?

Are you aware of the fact that in every census to date of our community in the USA with regard to how we would like to label ourselves, African has beaten Coloured, Negro and Black by a considerable margin as a rationalization of the fact that we cannot be as specific as the English, Irish, Swedish, Italians, Greeks and Germans etc with regard to which part of our original home [the African continent we originate from], we’re from? Yes....we are African descent But African is not a National designation but a Racial/Ethnic/Continental one. Don’t the USA citizens who KNOW that their ancestors were English, Irish, Scotish, Swedish etc wear their ethnic heritage like a badge of honour, TODAY, why don’t they just label themselves as Whites in a similarly confused manner to some of us being so devoted to being Blacks; as opposed to consciously embracing our African ethnicity? Maybe I am missing your point here.....We are Africans Calling, genuinely believing ourselves to be Blacks whereas where is the rocket science in the way as opposed to merely labelling themselves as “Whites” there are more than twice as many USA citizens claiming Irish and Swedish ethnicity than the current population of Ireland or Sweden, with African very very obvious being a rational acknowledgement of the very efficient manner in which Slavery robbed us of our name, language, religion and culture, in effect our minds?

Or I am reading too much into your question because it is a repetition Where exactly, is that why you haven’t addressed or answered either question [above]?

What REAL use are the majority of “Black Studies/Black History/Black Culture courses if the people constructing them are genuinely unaware of the fact that language is the operating system of the human brain/CPU in a similar manner to Windows XP, Vista, 7 and 8 are for computers; which is why doesn’t one have to be consciously selective with regard to how it is used to disseminate uplifting TRUTHS/ KNOWLEDGE, as opposed to negativity to all of our people?Most African Descent peoples in the West do not know an African language. Instead the know the language of their oppressor but speak a dialect that is a mixture of the oppressor and their original African tongue. Which surely emphasizes exactly why WE need to at least go into damage limitation mode as highlighted by consciously acknowledging that we’re not Coloureds, Negroes, Blacks, we are AFRICANS? I do not think the black intelligentsia is disputing the fact that we are Africans or more precisely of African Descent. You think That if we were called Africans it would increase our enlightenment? What Happen to those of us who are half breeds? Within the USA’s context have you forgotten the one drop of African blood rule [as highlighted by the ongoing grief in the USA with regard to mass incarceration along with being murdered by the police is Jim Crow really dead]?

For example being Africanlisted, being Africanballed out of a clique, losing all power for whatever reason isn’t an Africanout, nor does anyone state that they’re not wearing a piece of clothing because it is African with dirt, it isn’t standard practice to lament when things have gone horribly wrong that it is a really African Day and no one has ever been jailed because there has been conclusive proof that they are an Africanmailer, whereas doesn’t substituting word BLACK into all of these contexts place one on a sliding scale of very very inconvenient GRIEF? It does to the extent that you do not control the context and usage of the words and their meaning....Language is a living thing. Being in the Black or becoming a black belt are positive connotations Black can also denote Formal, Powerful, Mysterious (as in Khemistry) Authority, Classy....all things come out of the Black. Undeniably but within the current status quo of White Supremacist Racism worldwide, isn’t an integral part of the ongoing African HOLOCAUST the very systematic classification of people of African ethnicity as Blacks/Objects as opposed to Ashantis, Yorubas, Xhosians etc, human beings? Yes.....But many will see it as asinine due to their own lack of understanding its import.

Instead we want to create Functional Unity and not let Dialectics become a stumbling block at this junction. In Functional Unity you do not Have to agree on anything but the goal....Once achieve you then come back to the table. Which means what, where is the UNITY in the manner in which the USA’s Republicans and Democrats constantly bicker, are even prepared to damage the counry for their own political status/points, so why aren’t the USA’s movers and shakers waiting for all of the consistently CLUELESS and the rest of the white trash to catch up, join the party?

It is not too late, is it, Frank for individuals like you/the African collective with regard to being far more carefully selective with regard to the language we utilize to describe ourselves with ALL of our programmes going out as African Studies/Histo ry/Culture Lecture Series with regard to the African experience from an African perspective, thus at least starting out on the right foot as opposed to continuing to inject very easily avoidable negativity/rubbish as standard, into the minds of the people we’re aspiring to uplift? We must also be careful not to other words choose your battles Which means what, or haven’t you noted that this planet is only SIMPLE to SIMPLETONS/VICTIMS IN WAITING?

You do not feed a babe strong meat or cast pearls before swine lest they trample it under feet......meaning there is a season for everything.....somethings are appropriate at certain times. You must meet the people where they are and provide them with what they are ready for.....or you run the risk of seeming the fool, and being cast into irrelevancy. Maybe, maybe not, we don’t need everyone to be awake to get the job done, especially as doesn’t being successful tend to create clones [which is why the GAP community of Tulsa was destroyed and is still so consistently marginalized by the status quo due to STILL being such a DO ABLE template]?

I am not just being pedantic, this is very important as underlined by the glitzy looking Black Cultural Archive opened in Brixton/South London [June 2014] not being the African Cultural Archive [THEY must just be laughing at us when even our alleged intelligentsia/elite/luminaries are genuinely STILL so naive/totally baffled and obviously confused].If it is about Africans of the diaspora....then it is okay to refer to it as Black The Archives cover our history from 5000 years ago to now, both in Africa and the Diaspora, which is where your rationale/attempt to marginalize the significance/clarity of all peoples of African ethnicity viewing themselves as Africans [start trekking out of the totally lost and confused NEGROBOT zone] with regard to regaining our psychic equilibrium post the ongoing African HOLOCAUST of over 500 years duration, crashes and burns, doesn’t it?

Then Yes it should right be called African.....but then uneducated locals who considered themselves blacks would not come and support, mistakenly believing it is strictly about uncivil blacks living on the continents in mud huts. Having label it blacks they may more likely turn up and in so doing learn of their grand and great African history and heritage. Frank aren’t these labels generally, Black specifically is just a litmus test of our conscious awareness as our so consistently maliciously EVIL enemies are very very wary of the African collective regaining our psychic equilibrium [THEY KNOW WHO WE ARE], snapping out of the totally crippled state created by the ongoing African HOLOCAUST?

BTW Frank/excellent post, you addressed assertions and answered question/most people just bail out/run away/screaming! ROFL

Isn’t ANYONE who genuinely believes they are not programmed
graphically illustrating that their programming is COMPLETE?


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Aug 3, 2014
Have you ever read Tolstoy’s War and Peace or Joseph Heller’s Catch 22 [my no.1 fiction favourite], in that why are WE so focused on existing in the Twitter Zone, though undeniably it would be great if LIFE were ever that consistently simplistic?
No on both cases I choose to watch the movie instead.....whats your point?

Frank they are African Nationals despite being whites originating in various European nations because they were born in Africa, because isn’t it an obvious FACT that African like European, Asian and even American can be both a nationality and ethnicity?

No....African and European are strictly speaking ethnic - having to do with ancestry history culture and heritage - typically unchangeable
Nationality is political and legal designation which is changeable.

I am American [I was born in Guyana] as are Canadians and Mexicans whereas don’t most people in the USA think they are the only “Americans” when isn’t what they really mean the fact that they are citizens of the USA [despite their ongoing initiatives the USA doesn’t totally control all of the Americas, Cuba and Venezuela are STILL trying to make their own way?

You are conflating informal usage of words conversational vernacular (Jargon Parlance Slang) with formal standard meanings and usage.
You are a Guyanese National and a Citizen of the USA.
Yes....When one uses the term "American" it usually refers to North Americans....In particularly the USA. As I said that is colloquialism


How is your diversion into the ongoing social and even ethnic conflicts between various white clans in the Americas and worldwide [as highlighted by White on White World Wars I & II and various other 20 th centur y wars] undermine the very easily verifiable fact that the jet black skinned Indians of Madras are NOT of African ethnicity/Hutu Bantu Africans?

It confirms my point that "black" is not just skin color........but a shared history of common oppression.....
"Black" is our Heritage

How does this “Unity” manifest in our communities/ countries as highlighted by the fact that Nigeria is comprised of 250 different ethnic groups, though the 3 largest are the Hausa, Yoruba and Ibos, or are you unaware of the manner in which European Colonialism has created very very unreal countries [lines drawn on a map that have cut some ethnic groups into 3 or 4 pieces/making them nationals of 4 different African countries]?

The OAU and now the AU and other such Affiliated organizations.

At last we fully agree on something, eh? ROFL
Common ground is a worthy goal - in Rasta it is called GROUNATION

? Though DNA tests can find out exactly which African clan we’re from, why bother as doesn’t not knowing allow us to more pragmatically focus on the BIG PICTURE as opposed to being drawn back into the literally hundreds of ethnic groups/divisions which made European divide and rule so much easier to facilitate at the start of the ongoing African HOLOCAUST?

Africans are Killing Africans because of tribal and political differences. AND?

How do our tribal wars, even the still simmering Rwanda madness, the Biafra conflict numbers compare to the manner in which over 70 million whites were exterminated like vermin by their own elites in White on White World Wars I & II and various other 20th century conflicts?
DNA is only part of it......Acceptance and knowing the Customs and Language is also a part of it.
That is where "Black" comes in makes us all brothers regardless of tribal affiliations.

War among the White elite is about Power and Consolidation......Germanic Anglo - Saxon tribe still rule the world.



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Aug 9, 2003
Good morning

And let us we able to agree to disagree

No I don't agree

My take was that ours here is a culture based on Resistance to Exploitation and Oppression

Maybe that also reveals why our ancestors got exiled to begin with

It reflects the legacies from the griots to our own black stand up comics

Real life would be hard to endure without having a good sensahumor



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Aug 9, 2003
Given the usual nature of how even africans mimic our examples in the states

I'm kinda sorta guessing certain parties are given our own folk a reality check etc

In my case

Message received and understood



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Aug 9, 2003
What was and is true

Also we remain a reflection of our African ancestors various cultures etc

Some here do reflect it here on the mutual respect side

Hence that's very relevant as well as significant to others also playing catchup thruout the black diaspora in general and thruout the americas in particular


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