Pan-Africanism : What is Pan-Africanism?

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OmowaleX said:
LOL!

Your entire perspective is fallacious.

It was "originally led" by the reactionaries responsible for the Murder of Pan-Africanist leader Patrice Lumumba, and the reactionaries responsible for the overthrow of Dr. Kwame Nkrumah in Ghana and Ahmed Ben Bella in Algeria. Long before "Mengistu" came to power in Ethiopia.
True. But, this discussion is about a few very limited ides and subjects. We do not expect to cover the enitrety of African history, here. The best that we can hope for is to give the next generation the tools that they will need to correctly analyze our history so that they can avoid the mistakes that we made.

That is extremely important: we made mistakes, big mistakes. Accordingly, we have a duty to act like mature adults and own up to our mistakes in front of everybody, especilly the leaders of the next generation. We do not want them to make the mistakes that we made.

Africans, do not ignore fratricide among us. When Menguistu commited fratricide, too many of us ignored it. All that the Chistian community did was send in a few boat loads of wheat fatback and couple barrels of chitterlings as millions of our brotehrs and sisters starved under Menguistu. Now, they want to cry crocodile tears over the war in Western Sudan. Be assured, this is not because they have found love for Africans overnight. It because the Islamic Republic has immease petroleum reources. But, the pigs messed up. They bombed Sudan. Now, Sudan is selling her oil to the People's Republic. so, they are bluffing. They do not want any piece of Sudan because they know that they cannot win, there, any more than they can win in Irag or Afghanistan.

So, I am against this propaganda not bexuse I fear for the safty of Sudan. Beleive me, we can defend Sudan. The only thing that worries me is we, as Africans, are not learning to avoid walking into divide and conquor traps set for us by Rev. Mr. Charley.

I want to take this opportunity to clear up an earlier mis-understnding that developed because Brother Omowale and me. I call you a name as a tease because I mistakenly thought that the two of us had developed a degree of comaraderie that permitted light teasing and joking. It seems that I was wrong. Therefore, I want to extend to you an invitation to join us at fudaa.blogspot.com under Nkrumahis-Tureist Economics to continue developing an economic theory to guide us as we enter the final stages of the African Revolution. This is a very serious minded blog.
 

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$$RICH$$ said:
see i didn't know all dis here so i learn something today
Thanks

African, there is till much more to learn. History is our best teacher. Keep learning.

Forward! LONG LIVE THE NATION!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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CrunchyStuff said:
NNqueen,

To hip you to some of the more sublime things about Pan-Africanism as I know them and teach them.
African, always remember that no matter what one knows and thinks one knows, there is always more to learn. Personally, I try to learn something new each hour of each day. In fact, teaching is one of the best ways to learn. In order to learn by teaching, one must be wise enough and humble enough to learn from one's student.

Pan-Africanism can also be socialist or capitalist or based on communalism.

Please see my thread under Pan-Africanism, Nkrumahism-Tureism in this forum. For a more in-depth theory, go to fudaa.blogspot.com. Scroll down to Nrumahist-Tureist Economics. Please study the links and let me know what you think.


Pan-Africanist can be followers of Garvey, who believed in the idea of an African Empire, more capitalist.
The Honorable Marcus Garvey was, in fact, elected Provisional President of Africa. I do not know that he ever called for an Empire. It seems to me that a president heads a republic, or a united republic, rather than an empire.

Pan-Africanist can be more like Dubois and Nkrumah who believed in scientific socialism.
The Honorable Dr. W.E.B. Dubois became a member of the American Communist Party, towards the end of his life. He was a friend and collaborator of Osagyfo Dr. Kwame Nkrumah, the first President of the Republic of Ghana. However, we should avoid confusing communism with scientific socialism. (See Marxism-Leninism and Nkrumahism by Comrade Dr. Kwame Ture (formerly Stokely Carmichael.) This is available in this forum under Pan-Africanism, scroll down to Marxism...It is also at fudaa.blogspot.com along with other pertinent information.

Pan-Africanism can also incorporate the many veins of Afrocentrism, or the Negritude movement [what Afrocentrism was called in Africa back in the 60's].
We are into deep water on this one. If you do not know how to swim, be careful.

Pan-Africanism incorporates all these ideologies and more.
The highest expression of Pan-Africanism is Nkrumahism-Tureism. See the references above.

The main thrust of Pan-Africanism, is that you are thinking in terms of the African Diaspora [ALL THE BLACK PEOPLE IN THE WORLD] and the mother Continent[ALL THE BLACK PEOPLE WITH IN AFRICA].
Pan-Africanism is about serving the African Nation (the African Union, plus the African Diaspora.) It is a theory and means by which "Africans and People of African descent all over the world are Africans and belong to the African Nation: Africans for Africa."


Pan- just means ALL.

All-Africans or All of Africa and her children, no matter where they are in the world.
Exactly.

For me when I say I am Pan-African these are the things that I believe that I mean.

1. I believe that all Black Children deserve a Black Education.
African children, please. The Front for the Unification and Development of Africa and Arabia has a Committee on Education and Social Development. See the references avove.


2. I believe that Black Americans should plan to return to Africa.
"Black Americans" should recognize and respect their Africanness before making an actual physical return to Africa. Otherwise, they will do more damage than good for the African Revolution. AFRICANS FOR AFRICA.


3. I believe in economic segregation for Africa.
We need Economic Development in Africa as well as the African Diaspora (the African Nation). We must pursue this Development wherever we may be physically location at any one given point in time. In fact, the word "segregation" worries me. For instance, we need to trade with our neighbors. This includes Iran, located on our Tigris-Euphrates border and all of the Pacific Powers. These include Sri Lanka, the Philipines, Japan, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Korea, Singapore, Indonesia, India, China and some smaller islands. We Africans have blood relations to all of these peoples. Therefore, we should be careful about the use of the word "segregation".

Be especially mindful that the places I just mentioned include the majority of humanity. They also have the majority of economic potential. Therefore, we no longer need Mr. Charley. That much is certain. We have never needed him. He needs us. See the slavetrade. We did not ask to come here. We were kidnapped and brought here screaming and yelling, fighting and resisting, against our will. We are ALL Citizens of Africa.


4. I believe in family ownership of land not private and not public.
5. I believe that we should concern ourselves with basics.
6. I believe that Black People need to be humble and unify.
7. I believe that God gave Africa to Black People.
Absolutely. Read Genesis Chapter 2, Verses 8-17. For those too lazy to go look for the Bible Rev. Mr Charley gave them, I have listed those Verses below:

8 And the LORD God planted a garden in Eden, (Soamlia? Abdurrahman) in the east; and there he put the man whom he had formed. 9 And out of the ground the LORD God made to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight and good for food, the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

10 A river flowed out of Eden to water the garden, and there it divided and became four rivers. ( The River Nile. Abdurrahman) 11 The name of the first is Pishon; it is the one which flows around the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold; 12 and the gold of that land is good; bdellium (berilium, arong Lake Victory. Abdurrahman) and onyx stone (Malagasy. Abdurrahman) are there. 13 The name of the second river is Gihon; it is the one which flows around the whole land of Cush. (Ethiopia. Abdurrahman) 14 And the name of the third river is Tigris, which flows east of Assyria. And the fourth river is the Euphrates. (Irag. Abdurrahman)

15 The LORD God took the man and put him in the garden of Eden to till it and keep it. 16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, "You may freely eat of every tree of the garden.

17 but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall die." (I have a friend who tells me that there is a place in Somalia that is is sort of like the Burmuda Triangle in as much as anyone who enters the never returns. This is known to local Africans only.)

Beautiful! This is Pan-Africanism at its very best.

Of course I am also a fan of the Bible.
Absolutely.

So I believe Jesus when he said "love your enemies", he did not mean PRETEND you do NOT have any enemies.
Absolutely.


If you do not have enemies, how can you love them?
Absolutely.


My belief of the purpose of Black Americans in America is best shown by one of my favorite Black Americans Christians. He was killed by White People.
Absolutely. Do not forget the Unlce Toms who set him up.


Will the Lord suffer this people to go on much longer, taking his holy name in vain? Will he not stop them, preachers and all?
Amen.

O Americans! Americans!! I call God--I call angels--I call men to witness that your destruction is at hand, and will be speedily consummated unless you repent."
Amen

The words of David Walker, the Bostonian son of a free mother and slave father, were as much a threat as they were a jeremiad. His 76-page pamphlet, Walker’s Appeal ... to the Colored Citizens of the World (1829), marked the beginnings of a new abolitionism--and the beginnings of a rift between white and black antislavery movements. Nervous reactions "They want us for their slaves, and think nothing of murdering us," Walker wrote of southern slaveholders. "Therefore, if there is an attempt made by us, kill or be killed . . . and believe this, that it is no more harm for you to kill a man who is trying to kill you than it is for you to take a drink of water when thirsty; in fact the man who will stand still and let another man murder him is worse than an infidel." Walker had never been a slave, but having been born in Wilmington, North Carolina, he knew its horrors. He had once seen a son forced to whip his mother to death. As a devout Baptist with a deep knowledge of the Bible, he believed the Old Testament God who violently freed the Israelites would free "the most degraded, wretched, and abject set of beings that ever lived." The Boston clothier was also fluent in the rhetoric of the American Revolution, quoting Thomas Jefferson at length. For Walker, the Declaration of Independence, which affirmed the right of revolution, justified blacks’ rising against their oppressors. Thus they could act confidently: "Never make an attempt to gain our freedom or natural right, from under our cruel oppressors and murderers, until you see your way clear--when that hour arrives and you move, be not afraid or dismayed; for be you assured that Jesus Christ the king of heaven and of earth who is the God of justice and of armies, will surely go before you. And those enemies who have for hundreds of years stolen our rights and kept us ignorant of him and his divine worship, he will remove."[/QUOTE

Amen. Amen. Amen. AAAAAAAAAA. Amen AAAAAAAAAAAAA,. Amen AAAAAAAAAAAMMEN AMEN. AMEN. Amen.


Get the HOLY GHOST, Chiiiiiiil-lins.....
Better watch that kind of stuff. You might re-convert me back to Christianity. Joking.


They passed laws forbidding blacks to read, banned the lins.
What? No wonder must of us do not know anything about Africa.

" Southern whites were horrified by "the diabolical Boston Pamphlet."
I hate to see their horror when they see the diabolical fudaa.blogspot.com.

For me Pan-Africanism is two fold. What we are going to do to secure that Africa is never attacked again in the future. And what we are going to do, to improve our humble home and our people in Africa.
ORGANIZE! ORGANIZE! ORGANIZE!........

UNITE! UNITE! UNITE! .......

AFRICANS FOR AFRICA! AFRICANS FOR AFRICA! AFRICANS FOR AFRICA!........

FORWARD! FORWARD! FORWARD!..........

LONG LIVE THE NATION! LONG LIVE THE NATIOn! LONG LIVE THE NATION!
 

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panafrica said:
Great reply CrunchyStuff, and nice to meet you. To answer NN again:

There are different ideologies (or different approaches) to PanAfricansim. If for no other reason this is a reflection of the different cultures & economic structures of the various countries in the world where people of African Descent live. Each country, each ethnic group, each nationality (African, African American, African Carribean, African European, etc.), has a different perspective to bring. Many Pan Africanist are socialist, and the debate whether socialism or capitialism is most beneficial to the improvement of black people worldwide is one of the hottest debates among Pan Africanist. These are the types of issues that are better discussed at a Pan African Conference like those of the early 1900s, which is why I would personally like for them to continue.
Debate is part of a dialectic process by which we arrive at growth and development. As this relates to socialism and capitalism, I report that progress has been made. Thanks to the works of Brother Omowale and me, as well as this forum, we have been able to develop the concept of Nkrumahist-Tureist Economics. One feature ofthis theory is that we are now able to move beyond the debate over capitalism and socialism to determine exactly what is best for the African Nation at any one given point in time. There are times when capitalistideas and practices can and must be used to acheive development. At other times, we must utilie socialist methods. Whether we use capitalist methods or socialist methods, we must always be true to Africa. One way to be true to Africa is to allow ourselves to be guided by the principle of as-Sharia which prevents economic exploitation and oppression. Keep in mind that as-Sheria is Islamic Law and that Islam is an African religion.

For a more in-depth analysis of Nkrumahist-Tureist Economics, please visit us at fudaa.blkogspot.com. Scroll down to Nkrumahist-Tureist Economics. Here, we have listed several important institutions that affect the economic life of Africans all over the world. It is our duty as leaders of this generation of Africans to analyze this economic reality and develop new ideas and theories and practices to the Development and Unification of Africa.
 

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QUOTE=CrunchyStuff]The Reverend Leon Sullivan is dead. The UN has worked with the ideas of the Reverend Leon Sullivan. I just got that information off the web about him.

I did not know anything about him before PanAfrica mentioned him. Let me explain why.

I am not interested in a Pan-African agency that puts pressure on GM and Ford and Citibank and Kmart to do the right thing. I think that is virtual lunacy. So I have never investigated this group.

That group is a perfect example of Capitalistic Pan-Africanism.

That said. In an effort of unity. I do not think this group harms Africa or Africans because they are more or less working from within the framework that we have been handed. As far as they are concerned the West, meaning America and Europe run the world and control the currency and money and business in Africa. Thus they pressure these groups to treat Africans better.

While all of that is true, and one has to appreciate what they are doing and give them respect for it. What they want is only a step in the right direction. Nobody should attempt to stop them but there must be among us those who dare to dream on an independent Africa. An Africa that sets the price and value of it's own currency. An Africa where GM and FORD and SHELL and CitiBank and Kmart, are community partners, not antagonistic foreign vultures, who take goods out and cash out and put nothing back, as they are now, and as they would continue to be under Rev. Sullivan's vision. Rev. Sullivan would only add a few more goodworks, In otherwords GM might help build some roads.
To acheive these aspirations, WE MUST UNITE. Once we establish a government for the United States of Africa and Arabia, we will be able to do these things and set an export tax on ALL OF THE RESOURECES THAT ARE CURRENTLY BEING TAKEN (STOELN, REALLY) FROM AFRICA AND ARABIA to pay for this much needed develiopment. This is a new and sure way to get reparations for centureis of unpaid labor and other economic exploitation and opprerssion.

Of course this is frustrating to me, because I have seen what these companies do when they say they are helping the African communitys that they extract raw materials from. One company in Nigeria claimed that it had really helped the community by putting in water and roads. Unfortunately most do not understand that those were roads to and from the company so that they could extract the goods and that the water is used as a weapon against the workers, if they strike or try to get a union, the water is turned off and the community now dependent on the water is made to suffer, unless they give into the company.
Beautiful! Absolutely!

So community works by these big multi-nationals is a "bandaid" on the big bloody wound but still it is something more than nothing, which Africa was previously getting. Mr. Sullivan's heart is in the right place, he was just naive or maybe he is not naive and knows the deal but decided that was all he could get.
No excuses are required. As a leader, he had the responsibility to know.

There are many Pan-African socialist movements and by far at the grassroots level, Pan-African socialism is the most popular. You would need to look up the writings of Nkrumah, one of the best Black minds that God ever graced the Black race with. Truly one needs to read this man just to be enlightened.

However that said, Nkrumah is dead and most of the Pan-African socialist movements have grown past his thinking, while building on the sure and strong foundation that he laid.

There is a singularity of Pan-Africanism in that it is pro-Black People the world over with an overriding concern for Africa.
Africans for Africa!

That "Pro-Black People" is the central and most functional ideology of Pan-Africanism and it is most important. Do keep in mind we live in a world where some Black People are not Pan-African and they write books and articles about "how blacks are racist", "thank God we were slaves, because I would hate to have been born in Africa", and "Africa is poor because it is not Christian".
This is the ideology of the Rev. Mr. Charley.


When you have Blacks that hateful of their Black Roots, and Africa. Then of course the central ideology of Pan-Africanism as stated above is much more important than it might seem at first.

So yes there is a single Pan-African ideology, mission and purpose.
Nkrumahism-Tureism is the highest expression of Pan-Africanism. Please see fudaa.blogspot.com for a detailed discussion. See the article by Comrade Dr. Kwame Ture titled "Marxism-Leninism and Nkrumahism. Note that we developed Nkrumahism to an even higher level by incorporating Tureism and stting forth an Economic theory to guide us in developing new ideas, thories and practices.

That said, within the bounds of Pan-Africanism, there are many different views of how we shall go about changing Africa for the better. I believe in Unity and would allow for all of them, as stepping stones if nothing else. That is why I extend respect for the Rev. Sullivans and for the Scientific Socialists. However I am of the Communalism strain of Pan-Africanism. I do not believe that Socialism nor Capitalism differ that much in that they both "do business" with the Western Powers and as such, both will be marginalized in the world whether the world is capitalist or socialist. [right now it is capitalist].
Green-dollarism. The correct Economic theory for Africa must be developed from Nkrumaist-Tureist Economics. Note that Nkrunmahist-Tureist Economics repects as-Sharia (Islamic Law) while at the same time doing business with the Pacific Powers of Asia and Latin America. (http://destee.com/forums/showthread.php?t=42992.)(http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/africa/jan-june06/sudan_05-15.html.)(http://fudaa.blogspot.com/.))) We have wasted 500 years doing business with the Atlantic Powers to our own disservice and dis-advantage. The time has come for new ideas and practices.


Both of those Pan-African ideology's have at their center a cental materialistic basis. As a Christian, I could careless if we sell 1 item or 10,000 items. I see a continent where we all work for everybody else. Meaning we concentrate on digging wells, and laying down road, and building houses or huts and educating our people.
Absolutely. Export taxes can and must be used to finance this type of development. We can always find ways and means to exempt our friends from these taxes, if we want to. But, our enemies will pay reparations, one way or the other.


I am not interested in making sure that Africans are on the internet, or have the latest gadgets from the west. I do not believe that medicines from the west have ever been that helpful to Africans. So I would not sweat the loss of those either. I do not believe that western style education and information systems have made enough of an impact in Africa to justify a continued slave/master relationship with the west.
Absolutely. But, the internet the means by which we finally organize the whole African Nation.

Some people fear disconnecting from the west because they fear losing technology, medicine and education from the west, they believe that Africa needs these things. So they want to continue to do business with the west whether they are socialist of capitalist.
We do not need Mr Charley. We have never needed him. He needs us. That is why we were kidnapped and brought here agaionst our will. History is our best teacher.

Now that we are beginning to regain our autonomy, we will pick and choose who we do business with. (See the above references) Mr. Charley will be the last on our list of favorites.


I trust in God and believe the Bible, when it says that I have given to each race [Nation] what it needs.
See the Book of Genesis, Chapter, Verses 8-17 for some African history and Pan-Africanism:

8. Now the LORD God had planted a garden in the east, in Eden; and there he put the man he had formed.

9. And the LORD God made all kinds of trees grow out of the ground--trees that were pleasing to the eye and good for food. In the middle of the garden were the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

10. A river watering the garden flowed from Eden; from there it was separated into four headwaters.

11. The name of the first is the Pishon; it winds through the entire land of Havilah, where there is gold.

12. (The gold of that land is good; aromatic resin [6] and onyx are also there.)

13. The name of the second river is the Gihon; it winds through the entire land of Cush. [7]

14. The name of the third river is the Tigris; it runs along the east side of Asshur. And the fourth river is the Euphrates.

15. The LORD God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to work it and take care of it.

16. And the LORD God commanded the man, "You are free to eat from any tree in the garden;


I believe in a Africa that can sustain itself but first must get the basics settled. Food, Water, Housing.
Amen.


All of this is within Africa. Africa does not need anybody to obtain these things. Development under a capitalist or a socialist system proceeds in an uneven and thus far to date not very useful way because those in control of Africa do not seem to understand the very simple proverb: You must crawl before you can walk.

Sorry this was so long. Smile.
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Thank you, African.

We prefer poverty in liberty to riches in slavery
-His Excellwency Preasident Ahmed Sekou Toure.


ORAGNIZE! ORGANIZE! ORGANIZE!

UNITE! UNITE! UNITE!

FORWARD! FORWRD! FORWARD!

LONG LIVE THE NATION!
LONG LIVE THE NATION!
LONG LIVE THE NATION!
 

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CrunchyStuff said:
Queen,

Make sure to read about the Black Panther party in Australia.

http://www.cwo.com/~lucumi/runoko.html

That should be more than enough to keep ya reading for a minute.
Please give us more details about how to find the Black Panther Party in
Austrilia. We need to keep a database on all African polical parties as we prepare to orgainze world wide elections to elect agocernment for the United States of Africa abd Arabia.
 

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rebelafrika said:
Revolutionary Greetings

I have been observing the conversation and I must say that I am impressed. I am a member of the All-African People's Revolutionary Party (A-APRP) and we classify our party as a "Pan-Africanist" party. Pan-African based off of the definition determined at the 5th Pan-African Congress convened in London, 1945. Pan-Africanism was defined as "The total liberation and unification of Africa under scientific socialism" and Pan-Africanism being our objective, we are a "Pan-Africanist" party. We are also Socialists. We recognize that of all continents, Africa held onto "Communalism" the longest (and still does). We want to take the values of Communalism that existed prior to industrialization and apply them to modern society. We do not have a "Marxists-Leninist" ideology, we have an "Nkrumahist-Tureist" ideology which means we are guided by the revolutionary ideas, principles and practices of Kwame Nkrumah and Seku Ture. We as African people think it is best to adhere to African ideology. Class distinctions are imparted on every aspect of every persons life, therefore you will find "Bourgieousie" Pan-Africanism and "Revolutionary" Pan-Africanism. I love the example of Bourgieousie Pan-Africanism given earlier. Bourgieoussie Pan-Africanism is what the World Bank and IMF would like to see. But Revolutionary Pan-Africanism is what Africa is struggling for and this does not work in the interest of these Capitalist financial institutions. In fact, it works in the opposite of their interests. But this is the struggle we face...and once our mother Africa begins to achieve mass organization, no force on earth or in the heavens will stop her (in fact, all the forces of the heavens will be behind her *smile*). I hope this was helpful in furthering the understanding of Pan-Africanism.

ready for the REVOLUTION!!!
RA
It is always good to hear from the Party. Please visit us at fudaa.blogspot.com. As can be seen in my most previous post, we are moving forward to hold elections of a government for the United States of Africa and Arabia. All political parties serving the masses of Africans and Arabs all over the world will be asked to stand before the electorate. This especially includes the All-African People's Revolutionary Party.
 

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CrunchyStuff said:
Pantha,

I do know that Pan-Africanism is not centered around any religion. That is why Africa doesn't have Pan-Africanism and is bumbling and stumbling to get it. In my opinion.

This is why I do not count myself among the "Scientific Socialists", I realize that what I am bringing to the table is fundamentally different from what most socialists are bringing to the table.

Of course Radical African Socialism is very close in ideology, they know what I know. Religion is the only platform on which a successful revolution can be run.

If they do not have God to worship. They will in fact worship the state. That is why they had to burn down temples dedicated to worship of Ho Chi Mein. The reason that Leo Tolstoy [The father of Russian socialism] was a Christian Socialist. The Chinese government is inviting Christian teachers, they have discovered that rather than fight the massive wave of underground Christians in their country [China prints the most bibles in the world], they are going to integrate the verses in the Bible that apply to state ideology.

I got those stat's from a textbook entitled Africa Christianity. And other places.

I have seen bible teachers use those figures to reprimand Americans who dream of growing up one day to bring Christianity to the little heathens in Africa.

In fact Africa has more Christians than America has people.
African, somehow I sense that you are a very young Sister. But, you have wisdom and insight far beyond your chronological age. What you have just said is absolutely correct. To get some backup against the dogmatists, check out Revolution and Religion by His Excellency President Ahmed Sekou Toure. A thranslation and reprinting is available at fudaa.blogspot.com
 

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Pan-Africanism is simply the idea that all African people, however you define 'African', are brothers and sisters and should regard one another with love and solidarity.
 

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