Pan-Africanism : What is Pan-Africanism?

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Okay. Now we fixing to get down to the nitty gritty. Please do not take my dis-agreement with your line of thinking as a sign of dis-respect. I am growing by interacting with you. I hope you can also benefit.

OmowaleX said:
Most of this I agree with but must take exception on to points: One, in references to the anture of the "enemy" and social classes, and two, your statements concerning the responsibility of the "front" rather than "the Party".

I think that your conclusions on these to strategic points are actually a departure from "Nkrumahism".
African, there is absolutely nothing wrong with thinking, as such. I am glad to know that you are thinking. Our problem is too many of us do not think.


Nkrumah had acute perspective concerning the role of the Vanguard Party
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Please cut-and-paste that staement from Nkrumah's WORKS.

in the socialist revolutionary struggle, the nature of this ideological class struggle, and the class basis for this struggle, with the working class and peasants playing the vanguard role.

Nkrumah specifically spoke against elites and elitism so I am not advancing the notion of a talented tenth. Quite the opposite.

This bings into focus my problem with "the Party" having spent more than 30 years organizing college "Students as the spark of the Revolution" while neglecting to organizing the working class masses.
It is acceptable to talk about the Party in this context in public, I think. Please keep in mind that as proceed in the theory of mass struggle, it is helpful to recall our actual history. Osagyfo spent several years as a student in this country and elsewhere. He was just short of earning his PHD before his health began to fail and he had to return home. But once he began the ASfrican Revolution, he was awarded an Honorary Doctorate. Throughout his student years, he made meaningful contributions towards organizing and making preparations for the Revolution. Clearly this proves sufficiently the value and significance paying attention to African stydents.

But, we are talking about Nkrumahism-Tureism, here. Accordingly, we cannot simply concentrate on what Osagyfo alone said or did not say. To fully appreciate our ideology, we must look at the the contributions of the Tures, as well. By Tures, I mean Almany Samory Ture, Ahmed Seku Ture and Kwame Ture (not to mention the many African women involved as mothers, sisters, spouses and daughters, etc.) Dr. Kwmae Ture was certainly a student organizer. The Student Non-Violent Coordinating Committee (SNCC) payed an important role in the developement of Pan0-Africanism. The concept of Black Power, which at the core of Pan-Africanism, was developed largely by SNCC. Brother Kwame made a major role in SNCC.

I do not want to get too deeply into arguing the pros and cons of organizing students, at this point. Suffice it to say that throughout history, student have, and still; do, made and make revolution.

I also have reservating concerning your statement concerning "sociaist revolutionary struggle" because in the countries I mentioned, this is exactly what Nkrumah, Sekou Toure, Tom Mboya, Modibo Keita, Augostino Neto, Eduardo Modlane, Robert Sobuke, Steven Biko, Amilcar Cabral, David Sibeko and Robert Mugabe, just to name a few, supposedly were engaged in.

Failure to recognize these this amounts to capitulating to the African nationalist and petty-bourgeouisie, reformist political action and abandonment of revolutionary CLASS struggle.
Well, I am certainly that many would like to see me "capitulate". However, reports of my demise have been greatly exaggerated.

I find it interesting that you are speaking of African-Arab unity without addressing CAPITALISM, a
s most of the "Arab" states are pro-capitalist and anti-socialist, for the most part.
Yeah. It's called green dollarism. By the way, send me a few bucks. I kinda like that stuff myself.


I have no problems uniting in solidarity with "Arabs" or anyone else, for that matter, who is fighting against western imperialism, and for the "total liberation and unification under scientific socialism".

However, if they are opposed to "scientific socialism" they are thus opposed to the very essence and meaning of Pan-Africanism.

Peace!
As-Salam Alaikum.
 

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abdurratln said:
Okay. Now we fixing to get down to the nitty gritty. Please do not take my dis-agreement with your line of thinking as a sign of dis-respect. I am growing by intercting with you. I hope you can also benefit.



As-Salam Alaikum.
Interesting response.

First of all, I am quite used to folks disagreement with my "perspective" so no offense or sense of disrespect is taken.

Therefore, I will not read too much into your comment concerning "green dollarism".

However, I will suggest that you do not trivialize the issue.

I am 49 years old and in my time have witnessed the rise, fall and demise of numerous "liberation movements", "nationalist fronts" and "revolutionary organizations". And in many instances, that very same "green dollarism" was used as a tool to co-opt these very same "revolutionaries".

Also, if you carefully read previous posts in certain of the threads on this mesage board, you will find that many before you came and went, propagating the very same "ideology".

I am more concerned, at this point, with assessing in a "historical dialectic" manner the success and/or failure of these "revolutionaries" rather than re-visit ideological strategies, tactics and objectives from my "underaduate" era.

If you know what i mean......

Wa Alaikum As-salaam..
 

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OmowaleX said:
Interesting response.

First of all, I am quite used to folks disagreement with my "perspective" so no offense or sense of disrespect is taken.

Therefore, I will not read too much into your comment concerning "green dollarism".

However, I will suggest that you do not trivialize the issue.

I am 49 years old and in my time have witnessed the rise, fall and demise of numerous "liberation movements", "nationalist fronts" and "revolutionary organizations". And in many instances, that very same "green dollarism" was used as a tool to co-opt these very same "revolutionaries".

Also, if you carefully read previous posts in certain of the threads on this mesage board, you will find that many before you came and went, propagating the very same "ideology".

I am more concerned, at this point, with assessing in a "historical dialectic" manner the success and/or failure of these "revolutionaries" rather than re-visit ideological strategies, tactics and objectives from my "underaduate" era.

If you know what i mean......

Wa Alaikum As-salaam..


Thanks for the links, African. I have been referred to to mypsce.com more than once. But, I have problems understanding what is going on there. I will try to study it more. I can see that it may be something worthwhile. propheticmusic.com also interess me. My son has done some work along that line. I will try to remember give his link. Here it is: http://compose.mail.yahoo.com/[email protected]. This is a business link that might interest you and the users. I believe in Africans working together and pooling resources. This is what the Front is all about.

As for historical mateialism, there is no mystery, there. Brother Malcolm tells us to study history. Simple. The problem is this: the enemy controls the our means of communication. This is how they are able to keep us brain-washed. We must be wise enough to avoid the traps they always set for us. This is what keep getting me louled up. We cannot even hold an intelligent discussion of African affairs without some fool interjecting some nonsense he learned rom the enemy. This is why waste far too much time arguing about crazy stuff.

The Party was the first victim that I saw this happen to. We decided to organize. We were students seeking education and careers. But, as soon as we started defending ourselves against zionistinterference in our affairs, we were attacked from within the organization. The first trick they pulled was feminism. We could not even hold a meeting without some woman acting crazy. EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THE MARRIED COUPLES in our group, at that time, got divorced.

We divorced our wives and kept trying to move forward. Then they sent the gay movement after us. As I write, we have "males" coming to meetings dressed up like sisters. The enire Party Chapter in this area has been dominated by cross-dressers for the last 15 years, or so. I do not understand cross-dressing. So, I removed my children from all Party programs. There have been too reports f child abuse in the Catholic Church and other places for me to risk the safety of my children with cross-dressers. For all I know, theywill not harm the children. But, I do not have the time or the will to study cross-dressing to find out for sure. In the meantime, I will risk my children.

The biggest problem with this sexuality thing is this: nobody is allowed to discuss it. This may very well be my last statement on this issue in this forum. But, I have tried to avoid offending anyone. But, you keep pushing the issue. I will not lie to another African. What I have said is not meant to offend, but I have called it the way I see it, in terms of historical materialism, or as you say "historical dialetics". I just hope that just one African can benefit from what I just said. It is the truth.

I have called for a political front. The front is my attempt to avoid this kind of in-fighting. I have said this before. But, there are forces affot in this community that knows this better than I do. This is why they keep provking me in such a way as to pick fights over evry little petty trivia issue. They want to bog us down in in-fighting so that Bush and his little lesbians can pick a fight against Iran and Sudan. All they want is to control the oil. This is our oil. Allah gave these resources to us. Allah commanded us to keep these resources and to eat of them. I have shown many Africans those Verses from the Book of Genesis. But, I have never received a positive response. Yet, people would have me believe that they are true believers.

Let's get off this subject and get down to making some concrete progress.
 

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OmowaleX said:
Interesting response.

First of all, I am quite used to folks disagreement with my "perspective" so no offense or sense of disrespect is taken.

Therefore, I will not read too much into your comment concerning "green dollarism".

However, I will suggest that you do not trivialize the issue.

I am 49 years old and in my time have witnessed the rise, fall and demise of numerous "liberation movements", "nationalist fronts" and "revolutionary organizations". And in many instances, that very same "green dollarism" was used as a tool to co-opt these very same "revolutionaries".

Also, if you carefully read previous posts in certain of the threads on this mesage board, you will find that many before you came and went, propagating the very same "ideology".

I am more concerned, at this point, with assessing in a "historical dialectic" manner the success and/or failure of these "revolutionaries" rather than re-visit ideological strategies, tactics and objectives from my "underaduate" era.

If you know what i mean......

Wa Alaikum As-salaam..


Thanks for the links, African. I have been referred to to mypsce.com more than once. But, I have problems understanding what is going on there. I will try to study it more. I can see that it may be something worthwhile. propheticmusic.com also interests me. My son has done some work along that line. I will try to remember to give you his link. Here it is: http://compose.mail.yahoo.com/[email protected]. This is a business link that might interest you and the users. I believe in Africans working together and pooling resources. This is what the Front is all about.

As for historical mateialism, there is no mystery, there. Brother Malcolm tells us to study history. Simple. The problem is this: the enemy controls the our means of communication. This is how they are able to keep us brain-washed. We must be wise enough to avoid the traps they always set for us. This is what keep getting me fouled up. We cannot even hold an intelligent discussion of African affairs without some fool interjecting some nonsense he learned from the enemy. This is why we waste far too much time arguing about crazy stuff.

The Party was the first victim that I saw this happen to. We decided to organize. We were students seeking education and careers. But, as soon as we started defending ourselves against zionist interference in our affairs, we were attacked from within the organization. The first trick they pulled was feminism. We could not even hold a meeting without some woman acting crazy. EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THE MARRIED COUPLES in our group, at that time, got divorced.

We divorced our wives and kept trying to move forward. Then they sent the gay movement after us. As I write, we have "males" coming to meetings dressed up like sisters. The enire Party Chapter in this area has been dominated by cross-dressers for the last 15 years, or so. I do not understand cross-dressing. So, I removed my children from all Party programs. There have been too many reports of child abuse in the Catholic Church and other places for me to risk the safety of my children with cross-dressers. For all I know, they will not harm the children. But, I do not have the time or the will to study cross-dressing to find out for sure. In the meantime, I will not risk my children.

The biggest problem with this sexuality thing is this: nobody is allowed to discuss it. This may very well be my last statement on this issue in this forum. But, I have tried to avoid offending anyone. But, you keep pushing the issue. I will not lie to another African. What I have said is not meant to offend, but I have called it the way I see it, in terms of historical materialism, or as you say "historical dialetics". I just hope that just one African can benefit from what I just said. It is the truth.

I have called for a political front. The front is my attempt to avoid this kind of in-fighting. I have said this before. But, there are forces affoot in this community that knows this better than I do. This is why they keep provoking me in such a way as to pick fights over evry little petty trivia issue. They want to bog us down in in-fighting so that Bush and his little lesbians can pick a fight against Iran and Sudan. All they want to do is to control the oil. This is our oil. Allah gave these resources to us. Allah commanded us to keep these resources and to eat of them. I have shown many Africans those Verses from the Book of Genesis. But, I have never received a positive response. Yet, people would have me believe that they are true believers.

Let's get off this subject and get down to making some concrete progress.
 

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Yes your explanation makes a lot of sense, so much so that now I'm really curious as to what has happened since the 1949 conference.
Since the Fifth Pan-African Congress, the African Revolution has been moving steadily forward. There have been times when things have slowed down some, such as now; but overall progress has been in the positive.

I am convinced that much of the historical evidence has been either hidden or destroyed. What happened soon after the Fifth Pan-African Congress is serious struggle fot independence of African states ensued. At the same time new and higher levels of organization were brought about. The All-African People's Conference was convened in Accra. Interesting enough, few people are aware of the All-African People's Conference which was the logical sucessor to the Pan-African Congress Movement. Instead, the Movemnet fragmented as various forces called for a Sixth Pan-Congress a & 7th, etc. The net effect of that was divert attention from the true Revolution.

Also, we cannot ignore the significance that the African Revolution had in sparking the Civil Rights Movement under Martin Luther King, Jr. So, eventually, not only did the entire world rebell against colonialism and zionism, but we rebelled against racism in the good ole racist USA.

At the same time, reactionary forces were busy. Some Africans did not want to unite with anyone except Europeans. But, the people of Guinea kicked the setlers out, with very little ceremony. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seku_Ture.) By then, the significance of Arab and African solidarity and common purpose became apparent to the enemy. But even so, the Casablanca Group of African States was orgainzed.
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casablanca_group.)

The Casablance Group led the way to the Organization of African Unity, headquarted in Addis Ababa under His Imperial Majesty Haile Selassie. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OAU)
In this connection, it is instructive to notice what happened to His Imperial Majesty. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selassie.) The demise of His Imperial Majesty was follwed by what is known in history as the Red Terror in Africa. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Terror_(Ethiopia).) Thousands upon thousands upon thousands of Pan-Africanists were slaughtered like dogs. (May Allah accept the Prayers of all of them.) (That was not genocide. That was merely fratricide, something that the great pwers of the world chose to ignore, "benign neglect". It is only genocide, it seems, when oil is involved.)

Only, only a very small number, less than 10 million men, women and children were caught in the crossfire and victimized by Christian thugs. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1984_-_1985_famine_in_Ethiopia.) Shucks, folks cannot even remember what happened....

Since these events, there has been much confusion among Africans, in general; and Pan-Africanists, in particular. Clearly, a worldwide conspiracy has been launched against us. Even so, the Revolution is very much alive. Unfortunately, too many of the current genaration of Africans leaders do not even know that they are leaders. All of the leaders of the past have gone to be with the ancestors. So, we have leaders who are just waiting around for unification and developent to just fall from the sky, by-in-by. They seem to have a messiahic complex whereby their Lord and Savior is going to show-up soon and solve all of our problems without us having to do anything other than just sit around and bite hot-air. When they are not biting air, they are shooting hot air at their brothers and sisters...so much so that we seem to have fallen into the habit of fratricide. We still remember Rwanda, although we cannot seem to remember Ethiopia. But, so far our leaders have been unable or unwilling to avoid repeating the mistakes of Ethiopia and Rwanda. May Allah help us all.

See also the Union of African States ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_of_African_States) and the United Arab Republic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Arab_Republic.) Notice the Red, Black in Green.
 

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QUOTE=panafrica]I don't have much time so I'll be short with this response.
African, please do not think that I am picking on you. But clearly, you are on the wrong track already. You are a leader. As such, You have a duty to find the time; to make the time. Until we all learn to show a sense of leadership vis-a-vis our children and our youth in general, we have problems. Do not try to push your duty and responsibilities onto the shoulders of the next generation. Try being a responsible adult.

The continued progress of the PanAfrican Conferences were slowed by the beginning of the modern Civil Rights Movement in America (1950
Wrong again. The Civil Rigts movement was part and parcel of the overall African Revolution. It was impossible for Africans to receive any kind of respect before the emergence of BLACK POWER in the form of Egyptian political independence followed by that of Sudan, Ghana, Guinea and the the majority of African nations, including the Arab nations.

For instnace, in the early 1960's; an African could not even enter a resturant to buy a hamburger while traveling long distances over-the-road. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sit-in) We were humiliated as African, Arab and Asian diplomats and students began to travel between New York City and Washington, D.C. Whenever they were mistaken for a Diasporic African, they would be refused courtesy and service. Therefore their struggle became identical to ours in the good ole racist USA.

Accordingly, Diasporic African students on the East Coast decided to just stand up for their human dignity. Thus, began the Sit-in Movement... This led directly to the BLACK POWER movement and the development of BLACK POWER into Pan-Africanist theories.

and the renewed movement for Indepence in Africa (most of the countries in Africa would achieve their independence in the late 1950s & 60s). In other words the major participants of the PanAfrican conferences became consumed with changing the social structure in their own countries and ceased to work together worldwide.
Wrong again, African.

Subsequent to the Fifth Pan-African Congress, the All-African People's Conerence (AAPC)was convened in Accra, Ghana. This included representatives from the entirety of the African continent. Keep in mind that only Gahna, Guinea, Ethiopia, Liberia, Sirres Leone, Egypt and a few other African states, perhaps Morroco, were independent at the time of the AAPC. Therefore, it was necessary for those states that were independent to offer moral, material and logistical support to the struggles for indepnence throughout the entiety of the the African continent, the Carribean and the good ole racist USA. This is why the AAPRP, although most of its political work was done in the diaspora in it's early years, was founded and based in Africa.

Forthermore, a worldwide anti-colonialist and anti -Zionist movement developed. From the very beginning, the Pan-Africanist Movement, after the independence of Egypt, Ghana and Guinea and Sudan (and a few others), was closely linked to the anti-colonial movements in Asia. We supported the Struggles of the the peoples of Southeast Asia, China, Latin America, the Philipines and many other places around the world, and still do. This is where the real probelms began.

The neo-Pan-Africanists, later to identified as the anti-Africanists in sheep clothing, began to agitate against our Asian allies. We saw riots directed against Asian merchants and other such non-sense. Later they began a conspiracy against the Hispanics. We are only now beginning to outgrow the damage that was inflicted upon us from these forces. Keep in mind that utimately these very same reactionary forces in our own community came back to get us in a very real way. We need look no furhter than the notorious Red Terror movement to see what I mean. Hundreds of thousand were slaughtered directly. Milions were slaghterd indirectly (May Allah accept their Prayers.) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Terror_(Ethiopia).)


So to answer your question NN, I guess a shortcoming would be that with PanAfricanism it can be difficult to decide whether to concentrate more heavily on solving the problems around you or the problems effecting blacks worldwide. Also a new Pan African group was formed in the 1990s: the New Pan-African Movement (PANAF). They hold periodic meetings by African heads of state and development officials to attempt to fix African problems. They officially meet in 1991 (Ivory Coast), and 1993 (Gabon). They are headed by the Rev. Leon Sullivan, and endorse free trade, domocratization, and an international solution to the politicial problems of blacks. However they are not that high profile (I haven't heard anything from them in quite awhile).
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Although Rev Sullivan's organization s part and parcel a part of the overall Pan-Africanist Movement, and it has rendered much valuable services to the African Revolution, it is absolutely incorrect to presume that this movement is in the leadeship of the African Revolution. The political leadership of the African Revolution is, and ought to be, in the hands of political parties up to now when political fronts (defined as multipoliticalparties) are beginning to take leadership. During the heyday of Rev Sullivan's movement, the ANC, ZANU-PF, MPLA, FreliMo and the PAC of Azania were at the forefront. Now that victory has been acheived, the next stage of the Revolution is emerging in the form of the African Union, and many political parties aspiring to form a political front as a way-station to a United Staes of Africa and Arabia. In fact, the main purpose of the politcal front at this time is to be a clearing house to elect a government for the United States of Africa and Arabia.

In the past, Conferences and Congresses have been organized on the basis of invitations, ONLY. Virtually any ole body could call together a few friends and relatives, (bring your own bottle, please) throw a big shing dig and name it a Pan-African Congress. Now, a call has been issued for delegates to be directly elected by the African masses. (http://fudaa.blogspot.com/.) These delgates will have full legitimacy and full authority to establish a government that will be duly recognized by all civilized nations of the world.

Hot air will no longer suffice.
 

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CrunchyStuff said:
NNqueen,
For me Pan-Africanism is two fold. What we are going to do to secure that Africa is never attacked again in the future. And what we are going to do, to improve our humble home and our people in Africa.
The best way to secure Africa is through the establishment of a United States of Africa and Arabia.
 

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panafrica said:
Great reply CrunchyStuff, and nice to meet you. To answer NN again:

There are different ideologies (or different approaches) to PanAfricansim. If for no other reason this is a reflection of the different cultures & economic structures of the various countries in the world where people of African Descent live. Each country, each ethnic group, each nationality (African, African American, African Carribean, African European, etc.), has a different perspective to bring. Many Pan Africanist are socialist, and the debate whether socialism or capitialism is most beneficial to the improvement of black people worldwide is one of the hottest debates among Pan Africanist. These are the types of issues that are better discussed at a Pan African Conference like those of the early 1900s, which is why I would personally like for them to continue.
You are right about one thing: this nonsense is hot. Thsi is why so much effort and so much energy has been wasted is distraction strategies away from Pan-Africanism. There is a counter revolution movement afoot. It was originally led by anti-Pan-Africanist forces such as Menguistu. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derg)
 

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NNQueen said:
There's no single Pan-Africanists group under a single ideology, mission or purpose?
The Front for the Unification and Development of Africa and Arabia is an organization dedicated to bringing all Pan-Africanist organizatins and parties into a single effort to elect an All-African People's Constitutional Convention.
 

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You are right about one thing: this nonsense is hot. Thsi is why so much effort and so much energy has been wasted is distraction strategies away from Pan-Africanism. There is a counter revolution movement afoot. It was originally led by anti-Pan-Africanist forces such as Menguistu. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derg)

LOL!

Your entire perspective is fallacious.

It was "originally led" by the reactionaries responsible for the Murder of Pan-Africanist leader Patrice Lumumba, and the reactionaries responsible for the overthrow of Dr. Kwame Nkrumah in Ghana and Ahmed Ben Bella in Algeria. Long before "Mengistu" came to power in Ethiopia.
 

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