Black Spirituality Religion : Spiritual Battle in Terri's case, Question for Christians

TheWitness

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I found this to be thought provoking....
Now 2 questions
IF this was YOU, would you want your family to fight?
And do you think this is a spiritual battle
(And please, no comments about this being a "white: woman.)I say this becasue God is NOT a respector of persons.
'LIVE' VERSUS 'EVIL': BEHIND SCENES IN CASE OF SCHIAVO IS DYNAMIC OF A SPIRITUAL WAR

Behind the scenes in the Schiavo case is a spiritual dynamic that is of course totally ignored by the mainstream press -- which still hovers towards support for Terri's badly misguided husband and a judge who has indicated all but complete spiritual blindness.

Those are not assessments we like to make, and we won't judge the people themselves, but we will say that they have been at least deceived by the dark side. When we spoke to him recently, Terri's father expressed concern over an actual feeling of evil in the courtroom when motions are filed in this case, causing him to invoke the Archangel Michael. Let us note as we have so often that this is a classic case of how the devil tries to reverse the word "live" into "evil."

At least one prominent person on the side of removing Terri's tube has been reported to experience strange and radical personality shifts, and another to have a pronounced engagement with the New Age.

Meanwhile a lawyer who has fought to keep Terri alive, Pat Anderson, a strongly believing Christian, told Spirit Daily that she felt the spiritual resistance of evil and also the help of the Holy Spirit as she battled for more than three years in the case. It has been presided over by a judge who she said has ignored a mountain of evidence that should have given him pause in constantly ruling against Terri's parents, the Schindlers, who have fought so gallantly to keep their daughter -- severely disabled since 1990 -- from a painful death via removal of her feeding tube (all she needs to live).

Terri herself shows specific attention to a priest who regularly visits and reacts to prayer, witnesses have told us. She has also uttered words such as "mommy" and "help me."

Relics of Padre Pio and Mother Teresa of Calcutta have found their way into her hospice room, and the Blessed Sacrament is touched to this poor woman who seems to be a "victim soul" in the huge battle over life issues in the U.S.

Then there is the matter of Clearwater, Florida -- which, as the location of one hospice that Terri stayed in, and also the residence of her "husband," Michael, is interesting because it is also where a famous image of the Blessed Mother seemed to manifest in the reflection on an office building [see archives].

It was right around the corner where Terri was kept during the last close call, when the tubes were actually removed from Terri before the intervention of Governor Bush -- whose wife is devoted to Our Lady of Guadalupe and who with her husband visited the shrine near Mexico City.

The Clearwater image uncannily resembles the image of Guadalupe (which is associated with pro-life issues) and was smashed by a disturbed young man just before the Schiavo case first burst into national prominence.

It was first spotted on December 17, 1996, by a woman customer at what was then the Seminole Finance Corporation Building. As one newspaper noted, the image, two floors high, glowed and shimmered, turning from green to blue, to red, and there was a distinct outline of a head, a hooded robe and most of a torso. Skeptics claimed it was caused by a reflection of the sun's rays bouncing off water left by sprinklers, but that hardly explained how its glow often increased at night -- although [see below] it went dark just before September 11.

The 1996 time frame is when the dispute between the Schindlers and Michael Schiavo intensified, and when dark suspicions arose concerning Terri's care. In 1998, Michael petitioned the court for removal of her feeding and hydration tubes. His lawyer is described by some as a "yoga guru" attorney with strong New Age tendencies.

Whether or not it bears relevance, Clearwater is also headquarters for the Church of Scientology -- which teaches "prosperity for the able," with obvious implications. "Many Florida politicians and government officials have an accommodative relationship with Scientology," claims one website, citing alleged attendance at a Scientology anniversary gala of "over 540 dignitaries and guests from throughout the Tampa Bay area" on January 18, 2003. The area is also home to headquarters for the Shriners, if that bears any relevance. The courthouse for the judge in the Schiavo case is right next to the Scientology headquarters.

Has this brushing up against anti-Catholic had a spiritual effect? And is Clearwater also not clearly a spiritual battleground, pitting traditional Catholics against the move toward euthanasia?

Here, in the state of hurricanes (or "hurucans," the Indian word for "evil wind"), is where the prayers are needed, and here -- not in the court, not in the state legislature, not even in the U.S. Congress -- is where, in coming days, the real battle will be lost or won.

Have nothing to do with the evil deeds of darkness,
but rather reprove them. Ephesians 5:11
 

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The bottomline here is the quality of life. If you believe in God and that death is not the end then the decision is clear. From the time we are born we start dying physically. There are worse things than death, such as having a useless body kept alive so it doesn't surrender your soul. This is worse than death it's almost as bad as cryogenics. This is the mind set of the flesh. The flesh want us to live forever and it is finding ways to do so. Sure the incapacitated do have rights. They have the right to die. Just like everyone has the choice to kill themselves, that's a different story though. Let me share something with you all. Most here know may father passed away last December. I am the eldest of his namesake and my son is the last. My father suffered a massive heart attack and was without oxygen for 30 minutes. After 6 minutes without oxygen the brain becomes damaged. When it was all said and done my dad was in a vegetative state with a slim to no change of recovery. Being the person that I am I prayed about it and God helped me understand. See my father fought with alcoholism and drug addiction most of his adult life. My father understood what his problem was he just couldn't stop abusing. So because of this he lost my mom which devastated him. He tried to sober up for a while but the reality of having too much water under the bridge for him and my mom to get back together broke his heart. The last years of his life were spent in unbareable pain and shame. All the while he never stopped abusing. Finally he was so sick he went into the hospital. He made a recovery but relapsed and died. I believe God called my father home and put him out of his misery. God knew he would not be able to stop drinking and doing drugs. Also I had planned on bringing him with me so he could get a fresh start. God knew that our relationship would have been strained because of his addiction. My father is now out of pain and misery. He is free. This is the way Terri Shiavo should be. Free. God will not perform miracles with help from man. We can't help God. We must have faith that God knows what is best for us.


Peace

Radical Faith
 

diakonos

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TheWitness,

Great discussion topic. I sympathize with both the husband and the parents of this poor woman. From a biblical perspective however, I’m inclined to believe that the husband should have the final say in this matter. When two people marry, they leave their families and cleave to one another (become one flesh).
 

karmashines

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TheWitness said:
I found this to be thought provoking....
Now 2 questions
IF this was YOU, would you want your family to fight?
And do you think this is a spiritual battle
(And please, no comments about this being a "white: woman.)I say this becasue God is NOT a respector of persons.
'LIVE' VERSUS 'EVIL': BEHIND SCENES IN CASE OF SCHIAVO IS DYNAMIC OF A SPIRITUAL WAR

Behind the scenes in the Schiavo case is a spiritual dynamic that is of course totally ignored by the mainstream press -- which still hovers towards support for Terri's badly misguided husband and a judge who has indicated all but complete spiritual blindness.

Those are not assessments we like to make, and we won't judge the people themselves, but we will say that they have been at least deceived by the dark side. When we spoke to him recently, Terri's father expressed concern over an actual feeling of evil in the courtroom when motions are filed in this case, causing him to invoke the Archangel Michael. Let us note as we have so often that this is a classic case of how the devil tries to reverse the word "live" into "evil."

At least one prominent person on the side of removing Terri's tube has been reported to experience strange and radical personality shifts, and another to have a pronounced engagement with the New Age.

Meanwhile a lawyer who has fought to keep Terri alive, Pat Anderson, a strongly believing Christian, told Spirit Daily that she felt the spiritual resistance of evil and also the help of the Holy Spirit as she battled for more than three years in the case. It has been presided over by a judge who she said has ignored a mountain of evidence that should have given him pause in constantly ruling against Terri's parents, the Schindlers, who have fought so gallantly to keep their daughter -- severely disabled since 1990 -- from a painful death via removal of her feeding tube (all she needs to live).

Terri herself shows specific attention to a priest who regularly visits and reacts to prayer, witnesses have told us. She has also uttered words such as "mommy" and "help me."

Relics of Padre Pio and Mother Teresa of Calcutta have found their way into her hospice room, and the Blessed Sacrament is touched to this poor woman who seems to be a "victim soul" in the huge battle over life issues in the U.S.

Then there is the matter of Clearwater, Florida -- which, as the location of one hospice that Terri stayed in, and also the residence of her "husband," Michael, is interesting because it is also where a famous image of the Blessed Mother seemed to manifest in the reflection on an office building [see archives].

It was right around the corner where Terri was kept during the last close call, when the tubes were actually removed from Terri before the intervention of Governor Bush -- whose wife is devoted to Our Lady of Guadalupe and who with her husband visited the shrine near Mexico City.

The Clearwater image uncannily resembles the image of Guadalupe (which is associated with pro-life issues) and was smashed by a disturbed young man just before the Schiavo case first burst into national prominence.

It was first spotted on December 17, 1996, by a woman customer at what was then the Seminole Finance Corporation Building. As one newspaper noted, the image, two floors high, glowed and shimmered, turning from green to blue, to red, and there was a distinct outline of a head, a hooded robe and most of a torso. Skeptics claimed it was caused by a reflection of the sun's rays bouncing off water left by sprinklers, but that hardly explained how its glow often increased at night -- although [see below] it went dark just before September 11.

The 1996 time frame is when the dispute between the Schindlers and Michael Schiavo intensified, and when dark suspicions arose concerning Terri's care. In 1998, Michael petitioned the court for removal of her feeding and hydration tubes. His lawyer is described by some as a "yoga guru" attorney with strong New Age tendencies.

Whether or not it bears relevance, Clearwater is also headquarters for the Church of Scientology -- which teaches "prosperity for the able," with obvious implications. "Many Florida politicians and government officials have an accommodative relationship with Scientology," claims one website, citing alleged attendance at a Scientology anniversary gala of "over 540 dignitaries and guests from throughout the Tampa Bay area" on January 18, 2003. The area is also home to headquarters for the Shriners, if that bears any relevance. The courthouse for the judge in the Schiavo case is right next to the Scientology headquarters.

Has this brushing up against anti-Catholic had a spiritual effect? And is Clearwater also not clearly a spiritual battleground, pitting traditional Catholics against the move toward euthanasia?

Here, in the state of hurricanes (or "hurucans," the Indian word for "evil wind"), is where the prayers are needed, and here -- not in the court, not in the state legislature, not even in the U.S. Congress -- is where, in coming days, the real battle will be lost or won.

Have nothing to do with the evil deeds of darkness,
but rather reprove them. Ephesians 5:11


I have never understood why so many 'Christians' are fighting so hard to keep this woman alive when they go on and on about how pleasant and wondrous their Afterlife is going to be in comparison to everyone else's. If the next life is all that glorius, why force someone to continue this life incapcitated?
 

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