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Asomfwaa

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It's not just Facebook that will be affected, if they feel like any type of bootlegging is going on then the site can be shut down. Places like Facebook, can deal with it because they have money, they can hire people to keep track of it, or they can just pay someone off. It's the little sites that will suffer, if you think Youtube will get shut down, then you are mistaken. So when the young kids get online, what will be left? Not the little guys, it is just another way to control what is seen and read, and who do you think will be most affected by this? Don't let anger cloud your judgement.

Kids are not looking at the little guy. We know this.

More, you have to be targeted with due cause, so to speak.

Even if it passes, we don't need to worry.

But again--the internet isn't that amazing. People did things without the internet.

Not to sound like Ankhur, but the 60s had no internet.

The world is not ending.

Black folk need more face to face. That's all that we should care about.

I'm not angry. I just realize that we had 200,000 plus years without the internet, so I couldn't care if it were 'censored.'
 

rapunzal24

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I hear you. But I really think this is just another false alarm. Another "hype" that White folk want us to follow.

White people are always using scare tactics on us. It's only when we become independent from them that our problems are solved.

You might say that you are natural because of Youtube--but do you know how many of us are "relaxed" because of Youtube/Hollywood/Videogames . . .?

When it comes to the internet, the bad outweighs the good.

Ask an Elder how many sat at the feet of Dr. Clarke--then ask how many postings Dr. Clarke made online.

Our children are online, sure. But they are not with us online.

If we want to take a hold of our community, we need to rebuild our community.

These individualistic technologies work against our communities.

You might say that they can be used--but there's "nothing new under the Sun."

We tried. We can't compete with the White man in his own domain. Let's be frank.

White man in his own home sits in a different room from his family to watch the SAME television show!

When it comes to isolation and individualism--the internet is the White man's tool and we CAN NOT out use him at it.

I do not want to even link you a website where our people frequent that has so many hits in hours that it would blow your mind to the other side of the Mississippi.
To be honest with you, I think that most women are relaxed because of other black people, not white people, just my opinion. Anywho, it seems kind of crazy that you think that the internet is the White man's tool, and we can not out use him at it. We don't have to out use, just do what we do. It seems as if you have this defeated mentality already. Just give up the internet, we can't beat them, let's just use mail and stuff. Tell your kids to turn off the computer and do all of there reading at the library and wait one week before they can have the book transferred to the library, instead of going online and having it at the tips of their little fingers. You got to look at the bigger picture. You know where I learned the most about Malcolm, and MLK.....the internet, it would be a shame to see it disappear.
 

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The truth of the matter though is that it's the internet. I like the internet: it's great for books, for lectures and for cooperating on forums.

But come on - - if our people were using the internet for this, we'd be somewhere by now.

Take Youtube and facebook from our children. Please. PLEASE!

As Malcolm said, "By any means necessary."

Black folk should not be finally getting mobilized for 'censorship.'

They shot Malcolm--that's CENSORSHIP.

We need to pick our battles. This isn't ours.

If the bill was "Close Destee.com" the White man would not raise a wimper.

Now that Facebook may lose a million dollars--what are we moving for?
Oh Snap!!!!! Bro I had to laugh cause, folks been saying that around here in Crown Heights for like the last 12 years!

I know exactly what you are saying! And understand the philosophy behind your point!

50 people in a hole with a ladder to the side to get out, aint used that ladder in 20 years , but when
the janitor comes to get his ladder,, everyone is upset!

I have said this for over 8 years, our youth walk around with the wisdom of all of our African elders at the touch of a button from devices, they carry in their pockets and pocket books, access 24/7 something we never had as youth or 20 somethings, and still have no knowledge of self, for even liberation consciousness.
 

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Far as I understand, reposting something for educational purposes is perfectly legal. It's only when something is posted for financial reasons that we fall out.

Do they change this? If not--then what's the concern?

What educational purpose do our music posts offer? Take a look at this part media section of the website: http://www.destee.com/index.php?media/category/hip-hop-rap-videos.5/

This is 10 pages of links to Youtube accounts and most of them do not appear to be a part of a channel licensed to upload that content. There's no way to use fair use as a defense for this section.

For the videos that do feature documentary content, the posts that feature articles, etc. There's a bit of a gray area. Among those though, there are plenty of examples that would fail the fair use sniff-test. To successfully cite fair use, there's a number of criteria things must meet and it goes a bit beyond labeling something as for "educational purposes". If a party can prove that the website is somehow generating revenue from it (not hard in theory: premium memberships, ad revenue), things could end up on the losing side in a court case. It goes without saying that all of this assumes that the defending party has the resources and time to defend themselves in court.

SOPA, PIPA and similar laws like it don't require a full trial before moving to use this.

In fact, I checked the video. More White folk can write than can read; this White man can't do the latter.

Here's what he highlights:

(1) Dedicted to the Theft of U.S. Property -- An "internet site is dedicated to the theft . . . if​
. . .​
(B) the U.S.-directed site is primarily designed or operated for the purpose of, has only limited purpose or use other than, or is marketed by its operator or another acting in concert with that operator for use in offering goods and services that engages in, enables or facillitates . . .​
THEFT.​
--​
What's this to do with Destee?​

The speaker skips out on 'primarily.'

The person speaking in the video isn't white. Either way, let's stick to the actual topic of the discussion. In the first part of the short video he points out the justification being offered by supports of the legislation. He then points out the dangers of interpretation and how the policy will actually work.

The worthwhile Destee posts if they are not original have attributions and do not request monies. This site is not in danger.

This simply isn't true.

It seems that people are worried that Youtube and Facebook will be closed. What should I care? Fact is--in their wake can come more legal sites. Heck, maybe this can boost the Black technology community.

It's not really about race. It's about personal freedom and stopping censorship based on alleged Intellectual Property violations. The problems with intellectual property don't foster the development of any community. This issue could easily destroy start-ups, even Black ones.

I'd suggest reading up on this issue, fair-use, intellectual property, and patent trolling. The system is already abusive with the tools it has, this presents another danger to free speech, and there is no sane reason to provide them with more ammunition that would naturally favor rights organizations over civil liberties.

For those of us who have been paying attention, this isn't a new kind of law or tactic. Check out parts of ACTA. Look into DRM and trusted computing (UEFI etc). Previously, laws like this have been justified by supposedly aiming to fight against child pornography and in the name of national security.
 

Asomfwaa

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To be honest with you, I think that most women are relaxed because of other black people, not white people, just my opinion. Anywho, it seems kind of crazy that you think that the internet is the White man's tool, and we can not out use him at it. We don't have to out use, just do what we do. It seems as if you have this defeated mentality already. Just give up the internet, we can't beat them, let's just use mail and stuff. Tell your kids to turn off the computer and do all of there reading at the library and wait one week before they can have the book transferred to the library, instead of going online and having it at the tips of their little fingers. You got to look at the bigger picture. You know where I learned the most about Malcolm, and MLK.....the internet, it would be a shame to see it disappear.

I started noticing Sisters with red hair after Rihanna did it. And sure enough, when Rihanna put on her blonde hair, the comments were "She looked better with red" (according to some newly Blonde Africans.)

Sisters straighten their hair because the White man pays Black women to. Before Beyonce it was Tina Turner. This I gather from bell hooks.

Sister, I want to talk to my people. But the internet is way, the way, in the way.

Malcolm had his soapbox in Harlem--people gathered.

Garvey had his soapbox in Harlem--people gathered.

But if I stand on a soapbox in Harlem, then people are looking at their smartphones, calling Frank down the street, turning up their television sets and plugging in their earphones.

Let's be realistic--the most community in the world are not in places with the internet.

There's some good. Sure. But ok?

It's not about learning about Malcolm. It's about talking to the people. If Malcolm spent his whole life learning of Marcus--we wouldn't hear about him. Matter of fact, there are tons of people who know Malcolm X back and front--but if they are not talking to anyone . . ..

I want to say this: The European stole us from Africa and took all of our wealth.

Then he put some technology in our faces and took that away.

Suddenly, we are crying over that loss of technology.

What about the fact that we are kidnapped?

That's what we should be talking about . . ..
 

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