African American History Culture : Should we continue identifying as African-American and Black?

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I was listening to a brother named Dr. Walter Williams on the Carl Nelson Show. He's been a guest on the show before. He's been around a while, and he has some views on the Bible that may disturb many. However, I'm not trying to discuss that right now. I want to discuss his opinion on how African-Americans should be identifying in America. He says that identifying as negro, colored, African-American, or black has done nothing in the pass but keep us subjected to white supremacy. I said myself that I thought we should move away from identifying as black because of the potential it has of dividing dark-skin and light-skin, and every shade in between, if you can define the shade in between. Even if some of this goes on in our subconscious, that whole mindset falls under the effects of white supremacy, therefore I agree with Dr. Williams in this regard. Therefore I also agree with Dr. Williams when he said that we should not really identify with color at all, because that doesn't give African-Americans anything to uniquely unify by here in America.

Dr. Williams went on to say that every race on this planet can find a place on the globe and geographically claim their origin to it 100% legally, except black slave descendants in America. You can't find any geographical place on the globe called black, therefore we have nothing to gain politically by claiming to be black, other than to feel good about ourselves, which can be a little harder to do if you're light-skinned. This causes some light-skinned folks to feel the need to do extra to feel loved, accepted, and respected as a black person, especially when we fall into the blacker the berry the sweeter the juice, or the stronger you are, or similar mindsets. Then at the other end there's colorism which really seem to mean light-skinned favoritism. These two reasons alone are enough to make a brother or sister not want to identify by color at all if these self serving perceptions comes with the territory. Most of us don't even want to discuss this skin-tone issue we have with our race in America, but it does manifest itself regardless, whether we want to admit it or not. And it's mostly negative, especially in the South, and you feel it more when you're not from the South. It's probably something you can't discuss without causing harm. So that tells me there's something deeply wrong somewhere, and we need to throw it out. I think Dr. Williams approach is a step in the right direction towards solving this hidden ugly tool of division we have in our race as African-Americans. However I didn't make this thread to show how Dr. Williams opinion can help get rid of the dark-skin/light-skin thing. I added that in myself because it is very relevant whether we see it or not. But I really want to discuss how his opinion can help African-Americans unify and become our own ethical group like all other races on the globe. Then we can identify, work together, and compete for resources with some clout. I see no other way.

So you're probably wondering what is the name we as African-Americans should start going by according to Dr. Williams. Well, he says we should start calling ourselves African Ancient Egyptians. He says the Ancient Egyptians are the start of civilization, and we are their descendants, which is something the slave masters and white supremacist been hiding from us for years. That tells me that if we as blacks could come together in America, we could make the Jetsons look like the Flintstones. Dr. Williams went on to say that although civilization started in Ethiopia, the most strongest part of the globe that identify where the world began civilization is Ancient Egypt. However, all their credit was stolen and given a white face, including it's religious figures. We all know that Greece stole everything from Egypt, then claimed to be the originators. The most accurate DNA databases will tell you Ancient Egyptians were black, as we already know. You have statues over there that look just like many modern black people over here. When Dr. Williams was asked why don't other parts of Africa identify as Ancient Egyptian, he said they didn't need to because they have there own geographical region of Africa they claim (Nigerian, Cameroonian, etc...). I guess this could be the same reason the rest of the races don't identify as Ancient Egypt. They also have there own geographical region of the globe as well. However it is us, African-Americans who have no geographical region on the globe, and therefore referred to as the lost children. Again, you won't find no area on the globe called Colored, Negro, African-American, or Black that uniquely identifies us. I said in an earlier thread, Asians will never call themselves yellow and proud, nor will Hispanics ever call themselves brown and proud. So how are we to think any of these non-white foreign groups will ever call themselves black (black and proud at that), even though we try to claim them as black. With most of them we're wasting our time, and we need to admit it. Furthermore, if they're asked to identify with a color while over here, it will be white. That's because we as blacks in America have no geographical region here or on this entire globe to claim as a 100% original African-American region. Therefore, non-white foreigners who are even darker than us will try to write down that they're white when they get here, if they don't use the name of their own geographical region. It's something when you know that most if not all of these geographical regions on the planet had black people first...something to think about.

Anyway with all said, I'm still not sure if I can agree with Dr. Williams on this 100%. I'm still researching him, world history, and what others have to say on his opinion altogether. But I know for a fact that we need to start unifying regardless of religion and other things we shouldn't be tripping on as a result of white supremacy. And we need to stop unifying only when we are fiercely under attack by white supremacy. If we continue to wait to do so, it's going to be too late.
 
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I was listening to a brother named Dr. Walter Williams on the Carl Nelson Show. He's been a guest on the show before. He's been around a while, and he has some views on the Bible that may disturb many. However, I'm not trying to discuss that right now. I want to discuss his opinion on how African-Americans should be identifying in America. He says that identifying as negro, colored, African-American, or black has done nothing in the pass but keep us subjected to white supremacy. I said myself that I thought we should move away from identifying as black because of the potential it has of dividing dark-skin and light-skin, and every shade in between, if you can define the shade in between. Even if some of this goes on in our subconscious, that whole mindset falls under the effects of white supremacy, therefore I agree with Dr. Williams in this regard. Therefore I agree with Dr. Williams when he said that we should not really identify with color at all, because that doesn't give African-Americans anything to uniquely unify by here in America.......
I am familiar with dr. williams. I have a number of disagreements with him.
I will come back and explain a bit further. But in the meantime, prof. smalls
exceptionally speaks to identity, starting at the 15min mark.
 

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I am familiar with dr. williams. I have a number of disagreements with him.
I will come back and explain a bit further. But in the meantime, prof. smalls
exceptionally speaks to identity, starting at the 15min mark.
As with Dr. Williams, I can't agree with Prof. Smalls 100%. I understand when he says that we have a geographical history here in America, while at the same time our ethnicity is African, therefore giving reason why he agrees with the term African-American. However other ethnic groups come over here but don't combine the name American to theirs, which makes sense if they want to compete and successfully feed their own. That makes more sense as we watch Asians come here and buy America, with the possibility of changing the name America altogether. One way or another, it's unlikely the Chinese or whatever ethnic group buys America, will ever combine their ethnic name with America. As America continue to show Blacks more and more that they are their enemies, it seems like that may make Blacks that much more eager not to call themselves African-Americans. Knowing that we can't even vote to keep the right to vote, and therefore possibly losing the right to vote every 25 years or so, tells me we were here on lease all the time anyway...a long least that keeps expiring. But now it seems America is even working on taking away the extended option.

That alone is one of the biggest reasons I can agree with Dr. Williams not wanting to identify as African-Americans. With the condition Blacks are in today, identifying as Black didn't get us much either it seems. If we don't change this course, we won't have to worry about identifying as Black, because their won't be any Blacks left as we know today. It seems that it will soon be 4th down for African-Americans on our own 1 yard-line, facing the possibility of a touchback. I feel we may have to throw a hail-marry, whether it involves a name change or whatever. But if a name change now would prevent, or at least slowdown where the race is headed, then there's no need for the hail-marry. If it could help us unify, and as a result buy the field, than the more better. We need to either change something that we're doing wrong, or continue to watch "Scandal" on tv, or blindly go to the movies and see other sellout performances like "Dear White People", both directed by Black individuals so to speak, meanwhile other Black people remain silent and disappear.
 
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As with Dr. Williams, I can't agree with Prof. Smalls 100%. I understand when he says that we have a geographical history here in America, while at the same time our ethnicity is African, therefore giving reason why he agrees with the term African-American. However other ethnic groups come over here but don't combine the name American to theirs, which makes sense if they want to compete and successfully feed their own. That makes more sense as we watch Asians come here and buy America, with the possibility of changing the name America altogether. One way or another, it's unlikely the Chinese or whatever ethnic group buys America, will ever combine their ethnic name with America. As America continue to show Blacks more and more that they are their enemies, it seems like that may cause Blacks that much more eager not to call themselves African-Americans. Knowing that we can't even vote to keep the right to vote, and therefore possibly losing the right to vote every 25 years or so, tells me we were here on lease all the time anyway...a long least that keeps expiring. But now it seems America is even working on taking away the extended option.

That alone is one of the biggest reasons I can agree with Dr. Williams not wanting to identify as African-Americans. With the condition Blacks are in today, identifying as Black didn't get us much either it seems. If we don't change this course, we won't have to worry about identifying as Black, because their won't be any Blacks left as we know today. It seems that it will soon be 4th down for African-Americans on our own 1 yard-line, facing the possibility of a touchback. I feel we may have to throw a hail-marry, whether it involves a name change or whatever. But if a name change now would prevent, or at least slowdown where the race is headed, then there's no need for the hail-marry.
There are native american groups who have their own group names. How as that
'protected' them?

Also, we can't worry about other folks coming here and what/
how they choose to identify. For however in which way the wanna id themselves
is no indictment on us in this country or the diaspora at large. Dr. williams and
others are too 'politically correct' in their aim on this. Names/identification means
is no exact science.

We could call ourselves whatever we collectively agree on, where is the proof
that alone will improve our lot? Can dr. williams provide evidence?

I think jamesfrmphilly is on point in his post. Quibbling on what we should call ourselves
at this point in time only works to divide us. When we in this part of the diaspora use the
term black, afrikan or afrikan-american, 'we' know what/who we are talking about and that
is what's most important. I have used all of them interchangeably. Among black folks, I
have witnessed no one looking at me all 'confused', like 'what, who is he talking to'.

If it could help us unify, and as a result buy the field, than the more better. We need to either change something that we're doing wrong, or continue to watch "Scandal" on tv, or blindly go to the movies and see other sellout performances like "Dear White People", both directed by Black individuals so to speak, meanwhile other Black people remain silent and disappear.
I agree, we have to change whatever it is that is quite problematic for
us. Solutions are out there, it is just a matter of whether or not folks
wanna move to execute those ideas. Perhaps with this country's
economy implodes is when we may be forced to move in the
direction of progress. I hope it don't come to that, but that just
might be what it takes unfortunately.
 
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