Law Forum : Mississippi African Americans besieged by illegal searches, ACLU lawsuit says

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Two different things.

Yes, there are AAs who wanted the system to be harder on CRIME. They wanted to rid their neighbors of CRIMINALS, specifically drug dealers and users, imo. But, that doesn't translate to RANDOM STOP AND FRISK of every AA or Latino citizen as the stats infer.

They weren't asking for the racial profiling case of Johnny Cochran in Los Angeles,
http://www.eonline.com/photos/18206/american-crime-story-the-people-v-o-j-simpson-fact-v-fiction/685384

They weren't talking about the arrest of Henry "Skip" Gates, who was arrested for breaking into his own home,
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/06/30/AR2010063001356.html

I believe they were talking about drug dealers and users that could be searched with JUST CAUSE. Not just RANDOM AAs. I could agree with that. But, that is not what we are talking about here.

Remember the stats:

An analysis by the NYCLU revealed that innocent New Yorkers have been subjected to police stops and street interrogations more than 5 million times since 2002, and that black and Latino communities continue to be the overwhelming target of these tactics. Nearly nine out of 10 stopped-and-frisked New Yorkers have been completely innocent, according to the NYPD's own reports:

In 2002, New Yorkers were stopped by the police 97,296 times.
80,176 were totally innocent (82 percent).

  • In 2003, New Yorkers were stopped by the police 160,851 times.
    140,442 were totally innocent (87 percent).
    77,704 were black (54 percent).
    44,581 were Latino (31 percent).
    17,623 were white (12 percent).
    83,499 were aged 14-24 (55 percent).
  • In 2004, New Yorkers were stopped by the police 313,523 times.
    278,933 were totally innocent (89 percent).
    155,033 were black (55 percent). 89,937 were Latino (32 percent).
    28,913 were white (10 percent). 152,196 were aged 14-24 (52 percent).
  • In 2005, New Yorkers were stopped by the police 398,191 times.
    352,348 were totally innocent (89 percent).
    196,570 were black (54 percent).
    115,088 were Latino (32 percent).
    40,713 were white (11 percent).
    189,854 were aged 14-24 (51 percent).
  • In 2006, New Yorkers were stopped by the police 506,491 times.
    457,163 were totally innocent (90 percent).
    267,468 were black (53 percent).
    147,862 were Latino (29 percent).
    53,500 were white (11 percent).
    247,691 were aged 14-24 (50 percent).
  • In 2007, New Yorkers were stopped by the police 472,096 times.
    410,936 were totally innocent (87 percent).
    243,766 were black (54 percent).
    141,868 were Latino (31 percent).
    52,887 were white (12 percent).
    223,783 were aged 14-24 (48 percent).
  • In 2008, New Yorkers were stopped by the police 540,302 times.
    474,387 were totally innocent (88 percent).
    275,588 were black (53 percent).
    168,475 were Latino (32 percent).
    57,650 were white (11 percent).
    263,408 were aged 14-24 (49 percent).
  • In 2009, New Yorkers were stopped by the police 581,168 times.
    510,742 were totally innocent (88 percent).
    310,611 were black (55 percent).
    180,055 were Latino (32 percent).
    53,601 were white (10 percent).
    289,602 were aged 14-24 (50 percent).
  • In 2010, New Yorkers were stopped by the police 601,285 times.
    518,849 were totally innocent (86 percent).
    315,083 were black (54 percent).
    189,326 were Latino (33 percent).
    54,810 were white (9 percent).
    295,902 were aged 14-24 (49 percent).
  • In 2011, New Yorkers were stopped by the police 685,724 times.
    605,328 were totally innocent (88 percent).
    350,743 were black (53 percent).
    223,740 were Latino (34 percent).
    61,805 were white (9 percent).
    341,581 were aged 14-24 (51 percent).
  • In 2012, New Yorkers were stopped by the police 532,911 times.
    473,644 were totally innocent (89 percent).
    284,229 were black (55 percent).
    165,140 were Latino (32 percent).
    50,366 were white (10 percent).
  • In 2013, New Yorkers were stopped by the police 191,558 times.
    169,252 were totally innocent (88 percent).
    104,958 were black (56 percent).
    55,191 were Latino (29 percent).
    20,877 were white (11 percent).
  • In 2014, New Yorkers were stopped by the police 45,787 times.
    37,744 were totally innocent (82 percent).
    24,319 were black (53 percent).
    12,489 were Latino (27 percent).
    5,467 were white (12 percent).
  • In 2015, New Yorkers were stopped by the police 22,939 times.
    18,353 were totally innocent (80 percent).
    12,223 were black (54 percent).
    6,598 were Latino (29 percent).
    2,567 were white (11 percent).
  • In the first three quarters of 2016 (January – September), New Yorkers were stopped by the police 10,171 times.
    7,758 were totally innocent (76 percent).
    5,401 were black (54 percent).
    2,944 were Latino (29 percent).
    1,042 were white (10 percent).
https://www.nyclu.org/en/stop-and-frisk-data

PS: This is not personal. It is not about me or my family. My family and I are not so far removed from the AA communities you speak of. We have invested in those communities and we have owned businesses in those communities. Have you?
Your Stats are contained to NYC....now how and the heck does that translate to (((EVERY))) AA or Latino in the USA?.

In my hood albeit a scaled down version of NYC we faced the exact same dilemma i.e., how can we rid our streets of high crime without alienating law abiding citizens. In moss-side back in 2002 myself and a bunch of others lobbied Manchester town hall practically begging for more police presence on our streets...we did this because our children were being indirectly threatened by mindless criminals in our hood.

To cut a long story short our demands were met but we got more than we bargained for. Local councillors enlisted an anti-gang unit called Xcalibre and they ran rough shod throughout Sth Manchester...innocent residents had their doors kicked in and were arrested, random stop and search was implemented throughout Sth Manchester. However, once the dust settled gun crime dropped by a massive 90%.
 

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