Omowale Jabali : Mandela

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The topic of this thread is Mandela. I'm not going to engage your off topic rants.

Mayibuye!
Why are you telling LIES in headlong flight mode from your own topic/thread on a public message board or don’t you think that it was significant that Nelson Mandela’s first foreign trip on being freed from jail was to Havana, not Washington DC, London, Paris or Bonn?
What can you tell me about the REAL Nelson Mandela? The Mandela who orchestrated an armed struggle from his jail cell in Robben Island? What can you tell me about the role his Thembu Elders played in founding the ANC and Ethiopian movement in Southern Africa?
What can you tell me about the military training and support he got from my Oromo Elders in the early 60s and the military training camps he was instrumental in establishing in Ethiopia and Tanzania?
How/why is it my fault that I’ve seen the footage of the REAL Nelson Mandela in Havana literally begging Fidel Castro to come to South Africa after very profusely thanking Fidel for his contribution to South Africa’s liberation struggle; along with the footage of Fidel Castro’s rapturous thank you from the ANC in South Africa’s Parliament, how would you explain these events NEVER EVER making it/being shown by the Western mass media or ever being mentioned by YOU and your ilk [if you and your professors truly know so much] in this thread/discussion/debate?
I think you need to spend more time addressing those among us who are spitting on Mandela's grave and denouncing him as a sell out. But I'm not the one. Mayibuye!
Now who’s RANTING, totally ignoring the ongoing mass media blackout as to Nelson Mandela's efforts to highlight/thank Fidel Castro and the Cuban people for being so instrumental in his being freed [crushing the SADF in Angola], and why aren’t YOU addressing assertions/answering questions in your own thread?
How could the MPLA/Cuban coalition have achieved air superiority without the Cuban pilots and why haven’t YOU or anyone else mentioned the fact that Cuba sent 55 000 volunteers to Angola, without which Nelson Mandela knew he would have probably died in prison as opposed to as a free man/first President of African ethnicity of South Africa?
Are YOU denying that the SADF’s defeat in Angola has NEVER EVER been published anywhere outside of Southern Africa, nor has there EVER been any mass media coverage of Nelson Mandela’s so public thank you visit to Havana, and Fidel Castro’s subsequent thank you visit to South Africa to be thanked by the ANC in South Africa’s Parliament?
Haven’t you noted the manner in which their mass media TODAY is STILL attempting to say that Apartheid collapsed/Mandela was freed due to pressure/economic sanctions/white benevolence, which were a SHAM weren’t they in that the USA, UK and the west were covertly supporting South Africa’s Apartheid regime [a fact that only Maggie Thatcher was EVER honest about, with David Cameron part of a group of Conservative MP’s publicly lobbying for Nelson Mandela to be hanged] as opposed to the very comprehensive manner in which a modern white army was CRUSHED by a modern comparably equipped non-white/African army in Angola in 1987/8, breaking formal Apartheid in South Africa’s back?
You haven’t mentioned the manner in which Samora Machel/Freelimo was so maliciously executed by the South Africans literally blasting his civilian airliner out of the sky, who along with Steve Biko, Patrice Lumumba, and countless other like Sekarna in Bukino Fasso aren’t they all part of the very long list of African leaders/heroes who have lost their lives in the ongoing WAR for African freedom, in Africa?
However weren’t the Cuban initiatives in Africa very very different in that as so spectacularly highlighted by the 55 000 Cuban volunteers who eventually went to Angola [thousands of whom fought, died and were crippled] to assist the MPLA; they weren’t there for booty, to secure BIG OIL or various other corporate interests; which is literally unprecedented, isn’t it [or haven’t you noted BIG USA OIL’s carve up of Iraq replacing the French and German companies Saddam had done deals with] as highlighted by their departure from the region once Namibia was freed and formal Apartheid was dismantled?
Isn’t ANYONE who genuinely believes they are not programmed
graphically illustrating that their programming is COMPLETE?
 

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JOHANNESBURG - The Mandela family is planning to meet before the end of December to try resolve differences among its members.

http://www.enca.com/south-africa/mandela-family-plans-peace-meeting
How many of YOU KNOW the real reason Nelson Mandela was freed?
Why are all of the West’s so hypocritical politicians in general, political leaders specifically [with even Gordon Brown/former UK PM getting on the bandwagon in Parliament recently] still so focused on projecting and promoting to the masses/get all of the people STILL believing THEIR mass media HYPE/the drivel/outright LIES spouted by one Tory MP with regard to the Afrikaner regime under DeKlerk giving up power in South Africa, whereas isn’t it a fact that they had no choice?
Why shouldn’t WE use Nelson Mandela’s death to promote the TRUTH as he tried to [which the mass media generally, the West’s mass media specifically has so efficiently repressed to date] with regard to the manner in which hundreds of Cubans paid with their lives, [with thousands more wounded/crippled] to make political freedom a reality for non-whites in general, the indigenous peoples of African ethnicity specifically, in Southern Africa?
Haven’t you noted the manner in which the West's mass media TODAY is STILL stating/generally projecting and promoting that formal Apartheid collapsed/, the ANC unbanned, Mandela subsequently being freed; was due to pressure economic sanctions/white benevolence, which were a SHAM weren’t they in that the USA, UK and the West were covertly supporting South Africa’s Apartheid regime [a fact that only Maggie Thatcher was EVER honest about, with David Cameron part of a cabal of Conservative MP’s publicly lobbying for Nelson Mandela to be hanged] as opposed to the very comprehensive manner in which a modern white army was CRUSHED by a modern comparably equipped non-white/African army in Angola in 1987/8, literally breaking formal Apartheid in South Africa’s back?
Weren't you all previously aware of the FACT that formal Apartheid in South Africa [its informal now like in the USA/UK and most of the West] only ended up reeling on the ropes due to the debacle that resulted from the South African Expeditionary Army [SADF] assisting UNITA led by Jonas Savimbi forces push on Angola’s capital Luanda, being stopped by the MPLA Cuban coalition’s forces at Cuito Carnevale in 1987; when the Cuban piloted MIG’s achieved air superiority, along with the Soviet tanks driven by the coalition’s forces encircling the South African Expeditionary Army/UNITA counter offensive at T’Chipa in 1988 was the knockout blow, wasn’t it?
When the Neo-NAZI White Supremacist racist Afrikaner NUTCASES tried to regroup, beat the count, the far more astute than most white South African youth cut them down, by refusing to be conscripted/recruited en mass into the bloodbath Angola was poised to become for the South African Expeditionary Army [now that their dream of driving the 55 000 Cuban volunteers funded by Gaddafi/Libya assisting the MPLA into the sea, was in tatters]; which was when the negotiations to free Namibia/dismantle formal Apartheid began; in Cairo.
These FACTS of recent history are general knowledge in Angola, Namibia and South Africa, but have NEVER EVER been published/publicised in the rest of the world, have they, in that isn’t the mass media spectacularly efficient at hiding white defeats?
Nelson Mandela, to his credit attempted to publicly project and promote the TRUTH as underlined by his first foreign trip after being freed from jail being to Havana in 1991, where he very publicly thanked Fidel Castro and the Cuban people for their so HUGE contribution to the African liberation struggle generally, in South Africa specifically.
However, what could Mandela do about the Western mass media imposing a total NEWS BLACKOUT of both his visit and Fidel Castro's subsequent visit to South Africa [due to him accepting Nelson Mandela's so personal invitation] where he was thanked by the ANC in South Africa's Parliament [all of which you could have viewed for yourself up until recently on You Tube/but those videos have since been deleted]?
Mandela himself viewed the Cuban intervention as a selfless act of solidaristic internationalism) it is clear that Cuba did play a vital role in sustaining the ANC, demoralising the apartheid regime, and inspiring black Africa to believe that the army of the “white giants” could be defeated. In a speech he gave in Havana during his visit to Cuba in 1991 Mandela declared that‘
The decisive defeat of the aggressive apartheid forces destroyed the myth of the invincibility of the white oppressor. The defeat of the apartheid army served as an inspiration to the struggling people of South Africa. Without the defeat of Cuito Cuanavale our organizations would not have been legalized.
The defeat of the racist army in Cuito Cuanavale made it possible for me to be here with you today. Cuito Cuanavale marks the divide in the struggle for the liberation of southern Africa. Cuito Cuanavale marked an important step in the struggle to free the continent and our country of the scourge of apartheid.
When the authorities/status quo attempted to challenge Nelson Mandela with regard to this trip to very personally thank Fidel Castro and the Cuban people for their so HUGE contribution to him eventually being freed from prison in South Africa; Nelson Mandela said “You cant tell me who my friends are”!
Isn’t ANYONE who genuinely believes they are not programmed
graphically illustrating that their programming is COMPLETE?
 

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What is the reason why mandela did not take the economic power from whites? why did he allow criminals to stay in power? why did Mandela allow murderers to escape justice?
 

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Why are you telling LIES in headlong flight mode from your own topic/thread on a public message board or don’t you think that it was significant that Nelson Mandela’s first foreign trip on being freed from jail was to Havana, not Washington DC, London, Paris or Bonn?
How/why is it my fault that I’ve seen the footage of the REAL Nelson Mandela in Havana literally begging Fidel Castro to come to South Africa after very profusely thanking Fidel for his contribution to South Africa’s liberation struggle; along with the footage of Fidel Castro’s rapturous thank you from the ANC in South Africa’s Parliament, how would you explain these events NEVER EVER making it/being shown by the Western mass media or ever being mentioned by YOU and your ilk [if you and your professors truly know so much] in this thread/discussion/debate?
Now who’s RANTING, totally ignoring the ongoing mass media blackout as to Nelson Mandela's efforts to highlight/thank Fidel Castro and the Cuban people for being so instrumental in his being freed [crushing the SADF in Angola], and why aren’t YOU addressing assertions/answering questions in your own thread?

How could the MPLA/Cuban coalition have achieved air superiority without the Cuban pilots and why haven’t YOU or anyone else mentioned the fact that Cuba sent 55 000 volunteers to Angola, without which Nelson Mandela knew he would have probably died in prison as opposed to as a free man/first President of African ethnicity of South Africa?

Are YOU denying that the SADF’s defeat in Angola has NEVER EVER been published anywhere outside of Southern Africa, nor has there EVER been any mass media coverage of Nelson Mandela’s so public thank you visit to Havana, and Fidel Castro’s subsequent thank you visit to South Africa to be thanked by the ANC in South Africa’s Parliament?

Haven’t you noted the manner in which their mass media TODAY is STILL attempting to say that Apartheid collapsed/Mandela was freed due to pressure/economic sanctions/white benevolence, which were a SHAM weren’t they in that the USA, UK and the west were covertly supporting South Africa’s Apartheid regime [a fact that only Maggie Thatcher was EVER honest about, with David Cameron part of a group of Conservative MP’s publicly lobbying for Nelson Mandela to be hanged] as opposed to the very comprehensive manner in which a modern white army was CRUSHED by a modern comparably equipped non-white/African army in Angola in 1987/8, breaking formal Apartheid in South Africa’s back?

You haven’t mentioned the manner in which Samora Machel/Freelimo was so maliciously executed by the South Africans literally blasting his civilian airliner out of the sky, who along with Steve Biko, Patrice Lumumba, and countless other like Sekarna in Bukino Fasso aren’t they all part of the very long list of African leaders/heroes who have lost their lives in the ongoing WAR for African freedom, in Africa?

However weren’t the Cuban initiatives in Africa very very different in that as so spectacularly highlighted by the 55 000 Cuban volunteers who eventually went to Angola [thousands of whom fought, died and were crippled] to assist the MPLA; they weren’t there for booty, to secure BIG OIL or various other corporate interests; which is literally unprecedented, isn’t it [or haven’t you noted BIG USA OIL’s carve up of Iraq replacing the French and German companies Saddam had done deals with] as highlighted by their departure from the region once Namibia was freed and formal Apartheid was dismantled?

Isn’t ANYONE who genuinely believes they are not programmed
graphically illustrating that their programming is COMPLETE?

Yeah, and then the MPLA did the same thing the ANC did next door! Sold out the people to vampire capitalism! :mad:
 

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What is the reason why mandela did not take the economic power from whites? why did he allow criminals to stay in power? why did Mandela allow murderers to escape justice?

Because Nelson Mandela was a lover of white people and white culture! :) Can't you tell? ;) He was the Great White Hope and Protector of white people! :mad:
JOHANNESBURG - The Mandela family is planning to meet before the end of December to try resolve differences among its members.

http://www.enca.com/south-africa/mandela-family-plans-peace-meeting
 
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Not long ago I wrote a letter to the editor of The Washington Post (not published, of course for apparent reasons that honesty doesn't matter), and posted also on Facebook. The Post had trumpeted the headline, "Beloved statesman, symbol of freedom was 95."
What, of course, The Post didn't mention was that Nelson Mandela’s arrest in 1962, which led to 18 of his 27 years of imprisonment on Robbins Island, was based on the work of the CIA. The CIA and National Security Agency worked as partners with the racist, apartheid regime’s vicious military and intelligence services. He was labeled a terrorist by the US, and he US bears responsibility for Mandela's imprisonment.
So much for the glowing headline in The Post about Mandela being a "symbol of freedom."
As I noted in my letter to The Post (and likely why it wasn't published), "Sometimes the truth hurts, which helps to explain how our diplomatic circles are so busy covering it up. Typical government double-speak."
 

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