Nigeria : "If I Die, I die but Nigeria has to move".. #OccupyNigeria

Asomfwaa

Well-Known Member
MEMBER
Nov 16, 2011
3,375
2,561
whatever, they had a strike, united got over their differences and got what they struck for

organizations can be destroyed movements cannot
That's because no one is worried about movements.

Is Nigeria a part of the Western Region of "Pan-Africa?" Nope. So what changed?

People still poor? Yes.
Blackness still taught as bad? Yes.
Government still Pro-White? Yes.
Trading partners still European? Yes.
Politics still European? Yes.
Economics still not African? Yes.
. . ..

Want me to sign my name on the 'congratulations' letter?
 

Ankhur

Well-Known Member
MEMBER
Oct 4, 2009
14,325
2,954
Brooklyn
Occupation
owner of various real estate concerns
That's because no one is worried about movements.

Is Nigeria a part of the Western Region of "Pan-Africa?" Nope. So what changed?

People still poor? Yes.
Blackness still taught as bad? Yes.
Government still Pro-White? Yes.
Trading partners still European? Yes.
Politics still European? Yes.
Economics still not African? Yes.
. . ..

Want me to sign my name on the 'congratulations' letter?
I disagree with your words but support your focus, and yes also as you can check the archives here desire Pan Africanism, and yes feel the desperate urgency for it, but it will take time and this is just a small step towards that!
 

Asomfwaa

Well-Known Member
MEMBER
Nov 16, 2011
3,375
2,561
I disagree with your words but support your focus, and yes also as you can check the archives here desire Pan Africanism, and yes feel the desperate urgency for it, but it will take time and this is just a small step towards that!
This is a step backward. This is a step toward improving nationalism.

We need to be philosophically clear. "Nationalism" goes against Pan-Africanism.

Nationalism plays into the European's game.
 

Ankhur

Well-Known Member
MEMBER
Oct 4, 2009
14,325
2,954
Brooklyn
Occupation
owner of various real estate concerns
See now, I dont know where in the world you are going with this? what are you talking about, do you have some kind of psychic evidence that these folks were not inspired by the works of Julius Neyere, Samore Michel or Fanon? Are you saying you know for a fact that there more then likely were not activists from Chad , Senegal, and Ghana, helping these folks to make this accomplishment? Cause this happened in Nigeria makes this nationalist, What sense does that make? Do you know what kind of hell it would be here for folks in the Black community if gas doubled? That means everything doubles, food, utilty, bills and more then likely rents!

An injury to one is an injury to all and a success to one is a success to all!
This is a step backward. This is a step toward improving nationalism.

We need to be philosophically clear. "Nationalism" goes against Pan-Africanism.

Nationalism plays into the European's game.
 

Asomfwaa

Well-Known Member
MEMBER
Nov 16, 2011
3,375
2,561
Re-check the primary source (the video.)

It's nationalist. The logo isn't "Red Black and Green." And look at the concern.

Like I said--maybe Pan-Africanist organizations are within. But if so, highlight them. A "movement," with its dispersed focuses, isn't impressive.

Once, I repeated Dr. Leonard Jeffries for a paper. The thesis was that Africans are always losing at the negotiating table. That's the reality that White people know. The only way to win at the negotiation table is to have Philosophy and have organization. Without it--we will negotiate and lose. Crowd disperses and Sharpton makes money. Done.
 

Ankhur

Well-Known Member
MEMBER
Oct 4, 2009
14,325
2,954
Brooklyn
Occupation
owner of various real estate concerns
Re-check the primary source (the video.)

It's nationalist. The logo isn't "Red Black and Green." And look at the concern.

Like I said--maybe Pan-Africanist organizations are within. But if so, highlight them. A "movement," with its dispersed focuses, isn't impressive.

Once, I repeated Dr. Leonard Jeffries for a paper. The thesis was that Africans are always losing at the negotiating table. That's the reality that White people know. The only way to win at the negotiation table is to have Philosophy and have organization. Without it--we will negotiate and lose. Crowd disperses and Sharpton makes money. Done.
Ok Ok whatever, not going to go through the back and forth, God Bless!
 

Omowale Jabali

The Cosmic Journeyman
MEMBER
Sep 29, 2005
20,806
9,444
Temple of Kali, Yubaland
Occupation
Creative Industrialist
This is a step backward. This is a step toward improving nationalism.

We need to be philosophically clear. "Nationalism" goes against Pan-Africanism.

Nationalism plays into the European's game.


Interesting argument. Can you please elaborate on how this is true?
 

Asomfwaa

Well-Known Member
MEMBER
Nov 16, 2011
3,375
2,561
Interesting argument. Can you please elaborate on how this is true?
Hotep Brother omowalejabali,

I'm to work on an argument on how "Individualism" fits under White Supremacy. This I reason the old fashion way (induction--seeing the evidence then making the theory). Essentially however there are a slew of religions of the world, but African people in America by and large choose European religions. It's not for quantity and not for quality but more 'familiarity,' for lack of a q-word this late at night. But though this is common sense, looking at this, and other 'acts of free will' reveals a pattern in Africans in America (and the continent): their supposed agency reflects the European's desires. For instance, beyond religion, there is straight hair in the African community, there is "red" hair after Rihanna's sporting of it, there's steel drums rather than Congo drums at a parade and more and more.

You can say that it's training, but if you look closely, a lot of this is by choice. For instance, a friend of mine dropped his Catholicism then became born again--not Yoruba. Women going natural will turn straight. The red hair dye wasn't taught in school. And the band director had any and every instrument to choose from.

One notices then that deep behind this 'free will' is an organized group--Europeans. So, "individualism" reflects the wills of the most organized--White Supremacist Europeans--and this is how Individualism falls under White Supremacy. (It's late here--2 AM)

"Nationalism" then is the same argument but for countries. Who would be the trading partner of any strong nation? The most organized nations--the European states. Therefore, not unless we organize, does nationalism mean a thing. However, the act of organizing on a national level for Africans is Pan-Africanism. Hence, this is how Pan-Africanism is against Nationalism which is for White Supremacy.

I would be more elegant in the afternoon. :)

Hotep!
 

Omowale Jabali

The Cosmic Journeyman
MEMBER
Sep 29, 2005
20,806
9,444
Temple of Kali, Yubaland
Occupation
Creative Industrialist
Hotep Brother omowalejabali,

I'm to work on an argument on how "Individualism" fits under White Supremacy. This I reason the old fashion way (induction--seeing the evidence then making the theory). Essentially however there are a slew of religions of the world, but African people in America by and large choose European religions. It's not for quantity and not for quality but more 'familiarity,' for lack of a q-word this late at night. But though this is common sense, looking at this, and other 'acts of free will' reveals a pattern in Africans in America (and the continent): their supposed agency reflects the European's desires. For instance, beyond religion, there is straight hair in the African community, there is "red" hair after Rihanna's sporting of it, there's steel drums rather than Congo drums at a parade and more and more.

You can say that it's training, but if you look closely, a lot of this is by choice. For instance, a friend of mine dropped his Catholicism then became born again--not Yoruba. Women going natural will turn straight. The red hair dye wasn't taught in school. And the band director had any and every instrument to choose from.

One notices then that deep behind this 'free will' is an organized group--Europeans. So, "individualism" reflects the wills of the most organized--White Supremacist Europeans--and this is how Individualism falls under White Supremacy. (It's late here--2 AM)

"Nationalism" then is the same argument but for countries. Who would be the trading partner of any strong nation? The most organized nations--the European states. Therefore, not unless we organize, does nationalism mean a thing. However, the act of organizing on a national level for Africans is Pan-Africanism. Hence, this is how Pan-Africanism is against Nationalism which is for White Supremacy.

I would be more elegant in the afternoon. :)

Hotep!

Your explanation was well enough. Thank you. This has me thinking backing past debates when I was in college and started to organize in the neighborhood and encountered those cultural nationalists who argued vehemently against pan Africanism. When I first came here it was the same thing. I came to the conclusion that pan Africanism is the correct ideology but there is no longer any viable mechanism to achieve this objective. Excuse my pessimism.



Peace!
 

Asomfwaa

Well-Known Member
MEMBER
Nov 16, 2011
3,375
2,561
Your explanation was well enough. Thank you. This has me thinking backing past debates when I was in college and started to organize in the neighborhood and encountered those cultural nationalists who argued vehemently against pan Africanism. When I first came here it was the same thing. I came to the conclusion that pan Africanism is the correct ideology but there is no longer any viable mechanism to achieve this objective. Excuse my pessimism.

Peace!
I haven't read Frederick Douglass' marginalized, though at the time prominent, friend Martin Delany's work "Blake; or, the Huts of America" but I did read that it's a novel by Martin Delany, an early Pan-Africanist who believed that first Africans should organize the Caribbeans. The work is a response to "Uncle Tom's Cabin." I hear that it's out there for consumption.

Have you checked it out? It seems that Martin Delany is an ancestor who ran into the same pitfalls as you and saw the solution in taking smaller steps--staying optimistic.

Right now, I just want our African siblings to realize that the European is our enemy, like Dr. Williams said.

We are in such trouble. But we should stay optimistic. Sometimes I talk to our youth, like really young, twelve-like, and they really do hope that someone does something bold.

And beside, everyone wants to see Malcolm X again. Remember Sister Souljah? :)

Hotep!
 

Consciousness Raising Online!

Latest profile posts

sekou kasimu wrote on willa's profile.
What exactly is your ideology?!
I'll be honest. I like black culture forums, so I've signed up for this one, BX, and Lipstick Alley. I won't post too often, only on things that I'm really interested in. Nice to meet you. :)
Ms Drea wrote on butterfly#1's profile.
Hi Sister,
Miss you so much I hope all is well with you and yours!!
Love and Blessings!! :heart: :heart:
You can skip rocks across water but if you're not building yourself up rock solid, you'll drown under pressure.
11-5-19✍
Fireman wrote on Queenie's profile.
Hi, Queenie. Love your posts. Even though I don't you, you must be some kind of remarkable and lovely person. Lets keep in touch.
Top