thx for posting this! LUISA TEISH is my Godmother. she initiated me in Oakland Ca 1987 n i have been active orisha n ancestor worshipper since then. i was finally intiated a Priestess in service to OYa by my Godfather IFAGBEMI TURPIN in 2009 Ejiogbe Ashefunmi. i saw a post entitled SHOULD I HONOR MY WHITE ANCESTORS... ancestors have no bodys therefore have no skin color...but their DNA is living within us. i was taught by Tiesh, no ancestor should be honored unless you feel what they say or give is for YOUR BENEFIT. i will not honor an ancestor who deserves no honor, yet i will speak to them n try to teach them IN SPIRIT WORLD where they have failed to be an honorable human soul. when we evolve n grow, they do too n this is called CO-CREATION. i welcome new friends to comment. ashefumi
cut the crap are you white or black?unfortunately i do not speak fluent Yoruba so i cannot translate this ODU but how far back in time does the 'bloodline' go? mitochondrial DNA is direct thread of female lineage decended from mother to mother. in 1700s in Jamaica i found evidence there was an african woman who was a biological ancestor of me. i am here bcuz of her. my skin doesnt reflect her yet something inside me is her child. so i do believe that i am also a true child n descendent of ORUNMILA and ORISA.
i have a grandson who's father is from Jamaica so in this way is he not also a child of bloodline of ORISA?
also what about 'past life reincarnations' this is accepted concept in IFA. as my avatar protrait reveals to me a memory of a life in 1400s, but among the 1000s of incarnations i have made to this planet i also have a life within Africa when my skin DID reflect a relationship to 'black Africa' if i dont belong to ORISHA why was i initiated by wise elders many times over. i live in service to ORUNMILA OYA and MY ORI also pre-destined to do so. does 'traditional african religion' include all descendents living in the Diasphora from Africa. i am also a descendent of Jewish Diasphora, which one MUST i chose. or do only those who were born n live in Africa allowed to be child of ORI-ASHE? others may agree with ur POV but i do not.
There is no intent to disrespect anyone. Its not what I say or believe but about what Ifa says.now ur disrespecting my Godmother n Godfather, Chief Luisa Tiesh n Babalawo Ifagbemi Turpin n syaing they have done something wrong to initiate me. they r respected leaders in the Oakland-Bay Area community for over 40 yrs, initiating 100s in their lifetime. u say 'the culture' n IFA does not support me...what culture? nigeria, cuban, new orleans new york or bay area? or just ur circle of friends? i am accepted n supported by IFA. u do not have the right to claim ur translation of yoruba language is DIFINITIVE. not every one agree on meanings of words n concepts in any LANGUAGE be it chinese english yoruba etc. languages [especially yoruba-odu is poetry not dogma] they r 'open systems' that change with time n many words have many meanings. obviously Yoruba is not ur first language so what makes ur translation better than MY elders who i suspect r older n wiser than you. Nigerian/Yoruba leaders of Ifa r initiating many who r not in a direct BLOODLINE from africa. [u said urself 'bloodlines go back to when ORISA n my ancestors had direct n physical interaction...this time is incalcuable' r u in direct descent of the Oba in Benin? if not, in ur line of thinking, maybe u dont have the right to be a initiate of Ifa] using the term bloodline is outright racist as much as KKK n their talk of 'pure races'=they dont exist. u call me 'non black person' i will not label myself witha color dispite what u n others think i must do. is Salif Keita, a national hero n griot from Mali, not a man of african descent bcuz he has white skin? i am of mixed heritage n my appearence is not ur concern. i also have 'direct claim' to IRUNMOLE n OLOMORON the primortals n immortals as much as you do. this forum is to discuss ideas not for u to chastize my beliefs or tell me i dont belong where i am. what YOU choose to do is ur biz. as to ur 'rights' u have the RIGHT to believe what u want or do an irish dance or play a spanish guitar even a congolese drum, u can believe in christian athiest muslim buddhist or even be a hater. we are talking about religious beliefs. i embody ORISHA n speak to ABIKU n EGUNGUN performing much needed counsel for those in anquish. they r my informants not you. i am glad u feel its ur duty to embrace IFA n ORISHA as they are 'powers of nature' that should not be denied. remember ORI is the top ORI-ASHE. no other before it. it is my duty to worship n be guided by these forces. they do not belong to you n u have no RIGHT to tell me i am not a child of IFA. as my friend Babatundi Olatunji told me 'africa belongs to the WORLD' just as Kemet is the foundation of all human civilization. will u also say i cannot follow the 'book of the hours' when i die? the sooner we accept all 'our ancestors' the better this world will be for u n me but ESPECIALLY for young black men who r suffering from genocidal institutional racism in this country n many african nation like sudan, where lighter-skinned sudanese r killing darker sudanese. please try to be respectful of all paths n stop labeling stereotyping as this is poisening the whole world. PS unless you were initiated before 1987, i am YOUR elder n if you r my elder, i believe you can find the wisdom to consider my truths as valid. yara
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