Gun Ownership : Gun Control Around the World: A Primer

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Lessons from Canada to Japan



The debate over gun control in the United States has waxed and waned over the years, stirred by a series of mass killings by gunmen in civilian settings. In particular, the killing of 20 schoolchildren in Newtown, Connecticut, in December 2012 fueled a national discussion over gun laws and calls by the Obama administration to limit the availability of military-style weapons. However, compromise legislation that would have banned
semiautomatic assault weapons and expanded background checks was defeated in the Senate in 2013, despite extensive public support.

Gun-control advocates sought to rekindle the debate following another string of deadly mass shootings in 2015, including the killing of nine people at a church in Charleston, South Carolina, and 14 at a community center in San Bernardino, California. These advocates often highlight the stricter gun laws and lower incidence of gun violence in several other democracies, like Japan and Australia, but many others say this correlation proves little and note that rates of gun crime in the United States have plunged over the last two decades.

In January 2016, President Obama took a series of executive actions intended to curb gun violence, including measures to expand federal background checks to most gun buyers.

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http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2016/01/worldwide-gun-control-policy/423711/
 

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Ok, let's examine this one. I know the NRA, hate groups and survivalists, are stuck on their 2nd Amendment rights. But, it seems clear to me that all the violence in the USA would come to a halt if we did as the England did and outlawed firearms. Even the police don't carry firearms there.

Black on Black crime would decrease dramatically. People talk about gun control over automatic weapons, etc. Controlling who can and can't buy firearms.... But, why can't we overturn the 2nd Amendment and have a gun-free society? Is it impossible, or just highly unlikely because our citizens love their guns?
 

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Ok, let's examine this one. I know the NRA, hate groups and survivalists, are stuck on their 2nd Amendment rights. But, it seems clear to me that all the violence in the USA would come to a halt if we did as the England did and outlawed firearms. Even the police don't carry firearms there.

Black on Black crime would decrease dramatically. People talk about gun control over automatic weapons, etc. Controlling who can and can't buy firearms.... But, why can't we overturn the 2nd Amendment and have a gun-free society? Is it impossible, or just highly unlikely because our citizens love their guns?
If guns can't be banned because of the Constitution we can ban ammo. Why isn't ammo banned?
 

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OVER 400 OF UNARMED BLACK PPL.....KILLED....IN 2014...BY THE POLICE
OVER 750 OF UNARMED BLACK PPL.....KILLED....IN 2015...BY THE POLICE

THE GUN....AND A WILL TO DIE....IS HOW THE EUROPEANS TOOK OVER THIS COUNTRY......

NO WAY IN HELL ARE THEY GONNA DISARM THEMSELVES.....NO MATTER WHAT GUN LAW IS PASSED....THERES AT LEAST A MILLION OF GEORGE ZIMMERMANS OUT THERE......READY TO SHOOT...

THE ELITES CAN STEER OBAMA IN ANY DIRECTION THEY WANT .....FOR ALL KINDS OF FACE VALUE.....BUT THEY WILL MOST DEFINITELY MAKE IT POSSIBLE FOR WHITE MEN TO OBTAIN GUNS.....KEEP THEM.....CARRY THEM.....AND USE THEM....

ITS ONLY SAD THAT NOT ENOUGH BROTHAS....WANNA INVEST IN GUNS....MERELY FOR PROTECTION FROM OPEN SEASON.......BECAUSE ITS JUST PLAIN BACKWARDS , TO BE OK WITH BEING A POTENTIAL VICTIM , ONLY TO END UP EITHER ACQUIESCING , OR BEING A STATISTIC.....INSTEAD TAKING NOTES FROM THE DEACONS FOR DEFENSE....

BLACK ON BLACK CRIME ??? ---> HASNT IT DECREASED STEADILY OVER THE LAST 12 YEARS ??

HASNT THE RATE OF YOUNG BLACK MEN IN COLLEGE RISEN CONSISTENTLY EVERY YEAR SINCE 2003 ??...ISNT THIS THE MAIN REASON WHY BLACK MEN UNDER 35 ARE THE HIGHEST NUMBER KILLED FROM 2014 - 2015 ?

WE ARE DEALING WITH TWO MINDSETS OF WHITE FOLKS IN AMERIKKKA.....

ONE THAT COLLECTIVELY PLANS OUT OUR OPPRESSION WITH HIS PEERS....
AND ONE THAT IS JUST PLAIN STUPID....ONLY SMART ENOUGH TO ENSURE RACIAL AGGRESSION IN EVERY WAY IMAGINABLE.....LIKE HES INSTRUCTED TO DO...

BECAUSE SOCIALLY......WE ARE DEALING WITH THE OFFSPRING OF THE POOR , THE VERY FILTHY , AND THE INCARCERATED CRIMINALS , FROM EUROPE.....

REMEMBER....AFTER OUR PPL WERE DONE BUILDING AMERIKKKA , EUROPE DECIDED TO GATHER 60% OF THEIR POOR , ALONG WITH ALL OF THEIR TRASH IN THEIR JAILS.....SHIP THEM HERE , AND PLACED THEM IN CHARGE OF US.....

WHY ??

BECAUSE WE KNEW ALL OF THE TRADES.....WE OUTNUMBERED THE ELITES , AND WE WERE IN A POSITION TO ECONOMICALLY TAKE OVER THIS COUNTRY......SO THEY HAD TO CALL FOR REINFORCEMENTS....

IN MY OPINION....THIS TOPIC IS A CASE OF --> " if i can sell you a problem , then you HAVE to purchase my solution "
 

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Ok, let's examine this one. I know the NRA, hate groups and survivalists, are stuck on their 2nd Amendment rights. But, it seems clear to me that all the violence in the USA would come to a halt if we did as the England did and outlawed firearms. Even the police don't carry firearms there.

Black on Black crime would decrease dramatically. People talk about gun control over automatic weapons, etc. Controlling who can and can't buy firearms.... But, why can't we overturn the 2nd Amendment and have a gun-free society? Is it impossible, or just highly unlikely because our citizens love their guns?
How Gun Control Made England The 'Most Violent Country In Europe'
 

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This is more complicated than one response will suffice.

Based on constitutional design, and liberties of the people within the lands that are governed by it, it presents an opposing argument that people have the natural right to defend themselves.

If there was an all out ban on projectile weaponry within one nation, this would create a security issue unless there was a unanimous treaty with every nation, to do so as well.

This is one of the major reasons other countries consider the need for nuclear ballistic programs, to counter any attempted aggression by foreign elements to remove the sovereignty of said countries.

The issue is not the weapon itself, but the premise into which the weapon is perceived to be created for.
When someone uses them as an offensive tool, it goes against the nature implied within constitutional ordinances (aside for war treaties).

Before we start to look at stats that compare and contrast "pro-gun" states and gun violence beside "anti-gun" states and gun violence, the one thing we cannot look past is the term "society".

See EU Army (would go into this further here, but would override the thread).

The idea that civilians would have highly limited or completely restricted access to defensive arms, while the military allegiance can (shooting unarmed civilians), imposes a conflict with the safeguard again any type of slow tyrannical buildup.

I really don't get into this discussion much, because the creation of the projectile weapon was for the use against a larger predator or enemy.

I've always seen anyone that uses a projectile weapon in an offensive and aggressive manor as a weak coward... like throwing a shoe at a spider, instead of stepping on it.

So what goes on with so called "black on black" gun violence, has to do more with cowards and fearful young people, than it has to do with guns or gun control.

See Zulu Conquest

A true warrior isn't violent (emotional) because of what someone says to them (put some respek on my name), they are violent because they are trying to survive an offensive onslaught by an enemy.

Can you imagine going to war because someone said "your shoes are dirty"?
"Black on Black" conflicts are mental illness wars that are funded by (gun trade markets) the same ones trying to push for "gun control".

The "War on Drugs" was manufactured by some in the same factions of those that were helping to bring the narcotics in from Columbia and Afghanistan.

Profiting from both the "illness/chaos" and the "cure/calm".
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When some say "the system is rigged", it's talking about the system of geopolitics.
The strategy is deep and wide, and as stated at the beginning, it cannot be expressed fully in one post, and probably not in one thread.


Respect
But, the constitution only protects the rights of "militias" to own and bear guns, not individuals.
 

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Guns were created to harm and/or kill anything with a heart beat.

Americans have a love/hate relationship with violence. We love to see it in movies, video games, in the street when people argue and fight, but hate it when it happens to us or someone we know or love.

Anger, rage, depression will fuel people to do despicable things with guns in hand. I'm done talking about it, now I'm going to do something to stop it and you, is what a lot of people with rage use guns for, even to the extent of using them to end their own lives.

People who have a love for guns almost always turn to the 2nd Amendment as their shield to protect what they believe is their right to own a gun and no one, not even the government can deny them of that right--at least not in America. But remember, this is America, which is also driven by capitalistic greed and there's a lot of money to be made in buying/selling guns.

So who is really advocating the "right to own and bear arms"? I think the bigger issue is understanding the politics around the National Rifle Association (NRA) and who it represents, how it is funded and what it is funded for. Is this ANOTHER good reason to get money out of politics??

Does the NRA Represent Gun Manufacturers or Gun Owners?
The National Rifle Association has successfully stymied any effort to regulate gun ownership, but whom do they really represent?

Is the NRA working for casual gun-owners, many of whom, according to polling, support tougher restrictions on gun ownership— or is the NRA serving the gunmaker lobby— which is purely interested in policies that will promote greater gun sales and more profits? Any gun control policy debate should begin with this question.The National Rifle Association portrays itself as an organization that represents “4 million members” who simply love the Second Amendment. The truth is much more murky.

In reality, the NRA is composed of half a dozen legal entities; some designed to run undisclosed attack ads in political campaigns, others to lobby and collect tens of millions in undisclosed, tax-deductible sums. This power has only been enhanced in the era of Citizens United, with large GOP donors in the last election reportedly funneling money to the NRA simply to use the group as a brand to pummel Democrats with nasty ads. (As The Huffington Post’s Peter Stone reported, even the Koch network now provides an undisclosed amount to the NRA.)

The Violence Policy Center has estimated that since 2005, gun manufacturers have contributed up to $38.9 million to the NRA. Those numbers, however, are based on publicly listed “sponsorship” levels on NRA fundraising pamphlets. The real figures could be much bigger. Like Crossroads GPS or Americans for Prosperity, or the Sierra Club for that matter, the NRA does not disclose any donor information even though it spends millions on federal elections.

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