Black Atheists : Free will

dattaswami1

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This world is called as karma loka, which means that nothing is predetermined and you have free will in complete reality. You can change your destiny by your will and effort as said by Swami Vivekananda. Gita also says that God is not interfering in any activity or fruit of the deeds of any human being and some people think otherwise due to their ignorance (Naadatte ...). The upper worlds are called as bhoga lokas in which you are enjoying the deeds of your fruits and you will not have any freedom there. When you come back to this earth, you take birth in a specific family with certain set of conditions and your such birth is the end of bhoga loka or the last fruit enjoyed by you in the name ‘Prarabdha’.



Of course, the balance of your deeds in the form of a set of qualities (samskara or vasana) accompany you in the name ‘Sanchita’ from the upper world and influences you in the activities of your life here. Such sanchita is not the will of God, but the balance of your will only after coming from upper world. All the deeds done by you on this earth influenced by your own set of qualities (Sanchita) form the basis for the future fruits in the upper world in the name ‘Aagami’. Thus, you are determined by your own inner qualities, which are called as destiny. These qualities are in the phase of knowledge only and hence, can be rectified by the right knowledge received from a right preacher. Thus, you can change your destiny with the help of the right knowledge and hence, you have the full freedom here.



Never say that everything happens as per will of God. It is true, but, the direction of everything is as per your will only, which decides the fruit. Freedom is given to soul to decide the direction of any action. Hence, you are responsible for everything as I am not responsible for any fruit attained by you. You should not throw responsibility on the cycle of deeds (karma) also. Your past balance (Sanchita) is put in the closed cover. The reason for the present birth (Praarabdha) is exhausted after giving this birth.



The fruits of present deeds to be enjoyed by you in the future (Aagaami) are entered in a list, which is also kept in another closed cover. No form of the deed (karma) is interfering with you in your present life. You are existing in full free state in this world to receive the spiritual knowledge and reform your soul without any disturbance from any external factor. This is the golden opportunity given to you to change your destiny in the state of full freedom. You are responsible for your future uplift or fall.











I am giving the basic energy to You since I the creator of energy. But, You are directing that energy in specific way and hence, You have to enjoy the fruit of the work done by You. I have supplied the electricity to Your house and I am not responsible for Your use to enjoy TV or to touch the electrified wire and commits suicide using the same current!



The fruit of My creation work is entertainment only, which alone reaches Me. I become Your vehicle and hence, I am the doer of Your work. The fruit is related to the direction of work and not to the work. If You go to the forest, You are robbed by robbers. If You go to a city to Your relatives, You are happy. In both, vehicle and work of going are one and the same, but, fruits are different due to difference in the directions of work.







We are doing good deeds or bad deeds based on our own inherent nature. This is stated repeatedly in the Gītā as “Prakṛtiṁ yānti bhūtāni..., Prakṛtistvāṁ niyokṣyati..., Prakṛteḥ kriyamāṇāni, gunaiḥ karmāṇi..., Kāraṇaṁ guṇasaṅgo’sya...” and so on. God and the planets are neither the doers of our deeds nor do they influence our deeds. They also never give any fruit to us unless we perform the corresponding deed (Na kartṛtvaṁ na karmāṇi…—Gita). Our nature depends on our qualities which we have picked up from our surroundings in this birth or carried forward from our previous births. The planets are only giving us the fruits of our own deeds. The fruits have been arranged in a regular cyclic fashion by God so that we receive some good fruit followed by some bad fruit of our own actions alternately.



This alternate arrangement is done so that we can get maximum enjoyment from life. Enjoying only good fruits i.e. pleasant experiences; one after the other, will lead to boredom. Similarly, experiencing the bad fruits of our actions i.e. difficulties in life; one after the other, will lead to depression. The alternate arrangement provides maximum enjoyment like enjoying a full meal in which one eats sweet and hot dishes alternately. As per our acquired natures, we are born in zodiac signs, whose Lords have a similar nature. Note that we are not referring to the inert planet. We are referring to the nature of its Lord or presiding deity, who is known by the same name as the planet.



For example, the Lord of the inert planet, Mars, has a hot and angry nature. So, souls of a similar nature are born in the zodiac signs, Aries or Scorpio, which are ruled by Mars. It is very important to understand that Mars does not induce anger into the soul but the angry soul is born in the zodiac sign ruled by Mars. Hence, our natures are not influenced by the planets. We are merely born in the zodiac signs ruled by the planets having a similar nature. The different astrological periods (daśās) are the times when we are supposed to receive the fruits of our deeds as arranged by God in our life.

Destiny means that you must receive the fruit of your deed at the appropriate time as decided by God. You can never escape it. You are destined to receive the fruits as per the constitution of God. But the concept of destiny is confined to enjoying the fruits of your deeds. It does not extend to your performing the deeds. You perform the deeds only as per your qualities, which make up your nature. If you kill some person and state in the court that you have killed him due to the influence of certain planets on you, will the judge be satisfied?



The judge will say that you are receiving the punishment for your crime based on the influence of the same planets! People often exploit spiritual concepts. For example, some say that every incident happening in this world is destined since it happens only by the will of God. Then the judge will say that he too is giving you the punishment for your crime based on the same will of God!



God is responsible for every deed in the sense of supplying the energy required for the deed. He is not responsible for the direction of the deed, which alone decides the fruit. Electrical energy is supplied to your house by the government expecting that you will use it for good purposes like putting on lights and fans. If you misuse the electricity or if you put your fingers in the plug point, you will receive a shock. The government is not responsible for the electric shock, and will not compensate you for the damage! God is like to horse that carries you from one place to the other. But the direction of your journey is decided only by you, and the fruit, which depends on the direction taken, shall also be enjoyed by you alone.



If you go to the forest, robbers will rob your money. If you go to another city where your relatives and friends live, you will be received by them with pleasure. The horse that takes you either to the forest or the city as per your direction, is not responsible for the fruits that you receive. The meaning of the Vedic statement “Abadhnan puruṣaṁ paśuṁ” is that the souls have bound God to their deeds, as a horse is bound to a cart for a journey. Binding the horse to the cart does not mean that the horse is responsible for the direction taken by the cart. The driver of the cart, which is the soul, alone is responsible for the direction.



Swami Vivekananda said that you can change your destiny and that destiny is in your hands alone. This means that you can stop the chain of punishments for your sins provided you put forth the effort to undergo reformation. Reformation has three steps. The first is intellectual and it involves gaining spiritual knowledge and digesting it fully. It naturally leads to the second emotional step which is the repentance for one’s wrong deeds in the past. Finally, the third and final practical step is the non-repetition of the sinful deeds throughout one’s life. The third practical step proves that one has actually reformed.



If the spiritual knowledge is gained and properly digested, repentance and non-repetition of the sin are natural consequences. The digestion of spiritual knowledge does not take place simply by gaining it. After gaining it, you have to propagate it in the world. This repeated propagation confirms and strengthens the concepts in your mind resulting in their digestion and assimilation by your soul. i.e. they become part of your inherent nature. Swami Vivekananda made this statement from his own experience. He was involved in the propagation of the true spiritual knowledge preached by Shri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa throughout His life!



God gave freedom to all souls so that they could do whatever they felt was good. God helped the souls in determining what is good and what is bad by preaching to them through holy scriptures, holy devotees and holy Incarnations. Freedom means the complete freedom for all souls in this creation to act in any direction, without the slightest force on the mind, either here or in the upper worlds. God always preaches to every soul to bring the realization of the truth to the soul and to reform the soul. The soul is expected to realize and get reformed only through this knowledge introduced into the mind of the soul. It is the only way the soul can be saved. The only force used by God on the mind of a sinner is imparting knowledge. He does not use any physical force or miraculous power to reform the sinner. The king tries to reform the sinner through physical force in the form of punishment, but such reformation is only temporary. Even the horrible punishments in hell cannot reform the soul permanently. Eternal reformation can never be attained through punishment. In spite of this defect of punishment, it is still used to reform the soul temporarily. Only the spiritual knowledge given by God-in-human-form can bring an eternal reformation in a soul.



Generally, the cloud rains everywhere and the rain makes the seed present in fertile soil to grow up into a plant. But a seed fallen on rocky soil cannot give rise to a plant immediately in spite of a lot of rain. Devilish or demonic souls are like the rocks present here and there on earth. The God-cloud does not use His miraculous power to change the rocky soil into fertile soil since God never interferes with souls using any type of force. Judas was like rocky soil. But due to his association with Jesus and continuously listening to His preaching, he realized, confessed his sin, and punished himself at the end. The priests of the temple never listened to the preaching of Jesus at all and so they never got reformed. They were like solid rocks. Judas was like soil having some rocky nature. So, the seed of reformation at least germinated in him, even though it germinated late.



For a person’s reformation, apart from the divine force of spiritual knowledge, the receptivity of the person’s mind is also important. There are some good souls with high receptivity for the knowledge. They are like good soil and they get reformed immediately on listening to the spiritual knowledge preached by the Human Incarnation of God. Then there are some average souls, who are like rocky soil. They take some time to get reformed like Judas. Both these types of souls are reformed and saved. But there are some other souls like the priests who crucified Jesus, who have no hope of reformation at all. They are like solid rocks and they are condemned forever. This worst type of souls is punished in the liquid fire of hell forever. Their punishment is forever because such souls will never get reformed. They are kept aloof from mankind in the lives of wild animals, worms and so on (Tānahaṁ dviṣataḥ...—Gita). God’s attempts to reform are confined only to the first and second types of souls who are like good soil and rocky soil respectively. The moment a soul is reformed, it is saved forever.





The concept given by Me is once again recapitulated here.



1) This earth is called as Karma loka, which means that you have full freedom to do anything and there is no interference from God anywhere unless you disturb the world-peace as per the Gita (Naadatte..., svabhaavastu…). Swami Vivekananda told that you can change your destiny here and the basis of his statement is the above concept only.



2) The upper worlds are called as Bhoga lokas since you have no freedom there except to enjoy the fruits of the deeds done here.



3) Though you have full freedom to do any work in this world, it is one side of the coin; the other side is that your psychology or mentality (vaasanaa or samskaara) decides the course of your action. This mentality is based on the rigid mental setup existing in you due to accumulation of strong feelings concentrated from several births. This means that there is no real freedom in any deed since you are fixed with a specific mental setup.



4) In the upper worlds, this mental setup is modified in its concentration of concepts (quantitatively), though its composition (qualitatively) doesn’t change. Such change is necessary for the soul to enter this world in co-operating with the world-peace.

5) All the above four points are dynamic with respect to a soul in reference to place, time and context since the whole picture is under the preview of God, who can alter any aspect in any way for the welfare of soul keeping the goal of eternal reformation of soul by spiritual knowledge. Of course, as routine way, hell and heaven are used for temporary reformation and encouragement for the sake of management of world peace.



6) The fruits of your deeds are generally to be enjoyed by you in the upper worlds only. However, the fruits of intensive deeds attack you here itself with very fast speed, which may interfere with your normal deeds also making you feel that some divine interference is present in your deeds. Actually, there is no such interference.



7) Finally, you have to understand that God alone gives the fruits of all deeds because He is the creator of this entire creation and also of all facilities and punishments. He is not the creator of their related deeds. However, He is the dynamic energy of every deed, but, is not involved in the direction of deed, which is decided by you alone. He has electrified your house and is supplying current to your house.



You can put on the switch to use the current for the enjoyment or put your finger on current and get shock. In both cases, the fruits and the dynamic energy leading to the corresponding fruits is one and the same, which is attributed to God. But, the direction of the deed resulting in a specific fruit is simply due to the doer only.



Freedom of the doer lies in selecting any choice he/she likes. But, every deed is fixed with a specific fruit and you have to receive that fruit if you do that deed. You have choice to put your finger in fire or water. You put in fire, it will burn certainly. You have no choice in receiving the specific fruit once you do specific deed.










Universal Spirituality for World Peace
 

ZealotX

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I love it when people give you all this religious stuff but say you have free will.

But if I have free will then why do you have to give people religion? When you teach people a system (with rules and protocols and procedures) that in and of itself is an influence that rewires the brain.

It's like saying A = your will, B = your nature, and A + B = your actions

but in telling people this equation (which no one can fully establish as correct or even trying to) the equation itself becomes a new variable; C.

A + B + C = your actions

So it's like why is it so necessary for people to promote 'C' ? That should be the question. What is it they're trying to sell you? What do they get out of it? What does it matter if other people accept 'C' into their personal equation or not? Why does 'C', through them, seem to be an egomaniac or a narcissist? What happens if you take 'C' away from the people who so adamantly sell it to others as being the truth?

What is the true value of 'C'?
 
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