Black People Politics : Do Y'all Really Believe Hillary Would Have Been Better for Black America than Trump...

willa

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You love my discussion because I make more sense than you. You are learning?

Now most of the world has some form or both of free and universal health care. American does not, well you might want to include Medicare and Medicaid (Thanks LBJ) but you have to be a certain age to get it. And the vast majority of their citizens like it. There aren't any protest against it. Even from the alt-right (your buddies) in those countries. Remember America is great and can outdo them. So why are you so afraid. Oh, you are afraid of your taxes going up? Warren wants to tax the rich who don't pay their fair of taxes and who can afford to without suffering any. Well maybe they will have to give up a house or two of the already four or five they own. Are you in their class? And do you remember Bush 41 when he said "no new taxes and raised them anyway and when Ronald Reagan cut taxes and then had to raise them again? Trump has increased the deficit by 1 trillion during the last year. And since Trump has been in office, he has increased the deficit more than any other U. S. president in history. Lets build a Space Force. Something we don't need. The U.S has never had a deficit of over 20 trillion. But we do now. And Trump said he was going to reduced the deficit and cut taxes. Well, you can't cut taxes and increased the spending. But oh, yes you can. Just cut out Medicare and Medicaid and cut spending on SSI. Let people who need health care and can't get it without Medicare, Medicaid, and SSI reductions die. Lets cut back on social programs which help people. Lets stick it to the poor and the middle class, even though they are too blind or to dumb to see it.



Well Norway, Sweden, France, Germany, Finland, and Slovenia all have free college tuition. They aren't complaining about it. Heck it is working. No promise them anything and giving them nothing like no jobs is from Trump's playbook to deceive the poor ignorant and scare of losing their country to anyone non-white Trump supporters. So he institutes a fascist policy (just like Hitler) that promises to make certain Americans great or restore them back to the "Good Ole Days"when white America, especially white males were in complete control of their destiny to make them feel good. But Trump only wants to make himself feel good. And there's a sucker born every minute.


What? with all that socialism in Europe and you mean they are starving. More people starved under fascism that socialism. Just ask those Italian people what happened under Mussolini. Heck, asked the German people why they were eating rats after Hitler was defeated. In fact, they even had to sacrifice their diet became of Hitler's insane war.



Oh btw, I am not a straight out socialist. I believe in a capitalist socialist form of government and economy.
And the poor will always be with us no matter what form of government or economy a country has. But our charities can't do it alone. It is we the people that must do it or take care of the less fortunate. Isn't that what those alt-right ministers preach?
Making "more sense" is still out for a vote.

So yes our national debt has incurred more debt by each president, something added to by the congressional budget.

We have a compare-contrast to look at here. If, like you say the U.S. has a large deficit and evidently it does by the trillions, consider this: Socialism as loved by all the Dem. 8 or 10 candidates for President, is NOT sustainable. It has been identified that Social Security, one of our socialistic helps for our older citizens will run out of money in 15 years, hopefully not less. So, now compare how many years we have to go with Social Security if there is Medicare for everybody when there is $trillions of a deficit now. Add to that a free college for all! :time::bomb:. Contrast that as something where we all can see the cliff we'd go off with that one.

I understand now why Trump is going around the world trying to make friends with all the irritable war mongers that are jealous and and want to take us over, because this country can not afford the cost of a war when he wants to lower the deficit.
 

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Making "more sense" is still out for a vote.
Who's voting you? Well thanks for your vote of confidence for me.

If, like you say the U.S. has a large deficit and evidently it does by the trillions, consider this: Socialism as loved by all the Dem. 8 or 10 candidates for President, is NOT sustainable. It has been identified that Social Security, one of our socialistic helps for our older citizens will run out of money in 15 years, hopefully not less. So, now compare how many years we have to go with Social Security if there is Medicare for everybody when there is $trillions of a deficit now.
Why do you wish to continue to lie like that. It is sustainable. Others nations have SSI and it is more extensive than ours, yet they don't have the problems we have. It is not sustainable because we as a people don't want to make it sustainable.

Add to that a free college for all! :time::bomb:. Contrast that as something where we all can see the cliff we'd go off with that one.
Boo! And keep those blacks and people of color out of our neighborhoods because they will destroy it. Boo again! And lets make America 'Great Again" or "White Again" and keep us white folks in control of the entire country or we will go to hell and we white folks will find ourselves on the bottom. Boo Again!

I understand now why Trump is going around the world trying to make friends with all the irritable war mongers that are jealous and and want to take us over, because this country can not afford the cost of a war when he wants to lower the deficit.
One of the dumbest things you have said yet. But you are a Trump supporter, so I am not surprised. Trump is not thinking about lowering the deficit. We are not in a war and yet he has increased spending for the military on things that we, even the generals admit they don't need. Trump is "not" making America great again but he is making American weak and our enemies like Russia strong. Trump, as Joe Walsh has stated, is a traitor. And if you keep supporting him, then you'll become one too.
 
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willa

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LOL....

She knows more about politics than trumpy. Been a first lady x2 and Secretary of State. Betta choice that the current incumbent!
Wait, what? As a US Secretary of State, Hillary was responsible to send out our pilots standing by their fighter planes waiting for the green light from her. Having received many messages in cries for help while they were being attacked at Behghazi Embassy our pilots couldn't stand it any longer, because those messages were graphic on who of our people were being killed. Finally our fighters scrambled their planes without ol' Hillary's Go ahead, not caring about the personal consequence they would face for that.

Our Embassy people knew they were being slaughtered and so did our pilots waiting for the " US Secretary of State" to send them out to the rescue. It would have only taken minutes for our planes to get there, they were that close. But Hillary didn't want to step up because she thought that would create an incident that might make Middle East people upset. Better to lose a few American lives.

U.S. Secretary of State's job is to "Ensure the protection of the U.S. Government and it's American citizens and property in foreign countries" like our Benghazi Embassy. Hillary did neither. That is her track record.
 

willa

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Who's voting you? Well thanks for your vote of confidence for me.



Why do you wish to continue to lie like that. It is sustainable. Others nations have SSI and it is more extensive than ours, yet they don't have the problems we have. It is not sustainable because we as a people don't want to make it sustainable.



Boo! And keep those blacks and people of color out of our neighborhoods because they will destroy it. Boo again! And lets make America 'Great Again" or "White Again" and keep us white folks in control of the entire country or we will go to hell and we white folks will find ourselves on the bottom. Boo Again!



One of the dumbest things you have said yet. But you are a Trump supporter, so I am not surprised. Trump is not thinking about lowering the deficit. We are not in a war and yet he has increased spending for the military on things that we, even the generals admit they don't need. Trump is "not" making America great again but he is making American weak and our enemies like Russia strong. Trump, as Joe Walsh has stated, is a traitor. And if you keep supporting him, then you'll become one too.
Fireman I don't lie or deflect, accuse others and rationalize when I don't have the answers. For instance when I said "Socialism is not sustainable", you said in the same breath, "Why do you wish to lie like that?" Then you said, "It is not sustainable because we as a people don't want to make it sustainable." I think neither one of those is correct.

It was mentioned other European Socialists countries doing well. Scandinavia Has 60% taxes and a 25% sales tax. Middle Class and poor pay this. Over taxing businesses stifle prosperity. Then along comes hunger while the ruling class eats better than well.
 

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Fireman I don't lie or deflect, accuse others and rationalize when I don't have the answers. For instance when I said "Socialism is not sustainable", you said in the same breath, "Why do you wish to lie like that?" Then you said, "It is not sustainable because we as a people don't want to make it sustainable." I think neither one of those is correct.
Yes, one is correct. If we want to make socialism work, we can. It is just that we don't because of our greed and selfishness.

It was mentioned other European Socialists countries doing well. Scandinavia Has 60% taxes and a 25% sales tax. Middle Class and poor pay this. Over taxing businesses stifle prosperity. Then along comes hunger while the ruling class eats better than well.
Those European countries are not complaining. They have a better health care system than we do. No one is going to die because they can't afford to pay for the cost. No one is going to tell them who is not a doctor that they can't have this certain test done because they can do without it (insurance agent knows more than the doctor) or that the insurance company won't pay for it because it is too expensive. Schools are more attainable and they are better educated as a public. You don't have the rich getting a far better education than the poor as it is here in America. They don't have a crime problem or even a drug problem like we do here in America. You have a viable middle class in those countries. It is not shrinking as it is here in America. The poverty level is much lower there. And they are not starving.

No, they are not privy to the latest styles, fashions, and etc. that a capitalist economy provides and the fancy cars, houses, and etc. But over all they are doing better as a whole than us. The whole is more important than the few. Here the few are more important than the whole.

As stated before and don't forget this, I am not a totally socialist. I believe in a capitalism economy. But capitalism must be made to be responsible to the public. It cannot go unchecked. They cannot have everything their way. They must make some sacrifices and be willing to give up some of their wealth for the betterment of the whole.

Businesses need to pay their fair share in taxes. Taxing businesses more won't hurt them. Those CEO just don't want to give up their greedy life styles. They have been getting richer and the middle class and poor poorer. They need to bite the bullet for the betterment of this country. But no. They put their money and greed ahead of the American people. And you go along with it.

Reagan gave them a tax break in the 80s (and then he had to raise taxes on the middle class later) and what did they do. They didn't reinvest it in America. They said why should we just be satisfied with being mutimillionaires when we can now become billionaires and multibillionaires. So they took their companies overseas for cheaper labor and hardy no if any taxes to pay and became billionaires while Americans became paupers. They didn't reinvest in America or plan for the future in how to restructure their companies to provide jobs for Americans. They didn't care about America. They cared only about their profits and themselves. And you went along with it.

Now we have that fool Trump in the WH who only cares about himself and his money. He has lied and continues to lie to his followers such as you that he is going to take care of you and his followers. And because of his stupid trade war with China, farmers are now going to get a welfare check because they can't sell their crops. Without that social welfare check they would go broke. Despite that some are still hurting. And you go along with it.

Everybody in the world knows than fossil fuels are on the decline except Trump followers and you. China is already leading the world in developing new sources of energy for the future. This is where the new jobs for this century will be.

Oh, there is a company now selling prime beach front property in New Mexico real cheap. You can get an acre for about $3 thousand. I know you can afford at least 5 acres. And this is a special deal just only for Trump and his followers. And just think of the price it will be 5 to 10 years from now. Are you ready to buy? :)
 

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they were when i was there.......
It is not to the degree as it is here in the U.S. Their culture is different and it goes backs many centuries. They don't have the multinational companies as we have in America. They aren't the financial capital of the world. We are. And I am including China in this as well which is second now to America. They don't have the billionaires and like we have. So with more wealth comes more expensive homes, cars, yachts, and etc. And because of their culture, they are able to spread of share their wealth more than here in the U.S. That is why their economy which is capitalistic, more free market than the U. S., can thrive along with their socialist form of governments.

American was founded on individualism. Go out there and make it for yourself. The opportunity is there. It was all about self. And when it is all about self it became all greed and selfishness. There is no need or even a concerned about others. In fact, we exploit others to make us rich and richer. And we will sell you health insurance to make us rich first and your health comes second. This is what our culture is rooted in unlike those of Finland, Sweden, Norway, and etc. However, the culture can only change when the people change. When the people change, then the culture will change.
 

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Wait, what? As a US Secretary of State, Hillary was responsible to send out our pilots standing by their fighter planes waiting for the green light from her. Having received many messages in cries for help while they were being attacked at Behghazi Embassy our pilots couldn't stand it any longer, because those messages were graphic on who of our people were being killed. Finally our fighters scrambled their planes without ol' Hillary's Go ahead, not caring about the personal consequence they would face for that.

Our Embassy people knew they were being slaughtered and so did our pilots waiting for the " US Secretary of State" to send them out to the rescue. It would have only taken minutes for our planes to get there, they were that close. But Hillary didn't want to step up because she thought that would create an incident that might make Middle East people upset. Better to lose a few American lives.

U.S. Secretary of State's job is to "Ensure the protection of the U.S. Government and it's American citizens and property in foreign countries" like our Benghazi Embassy. Hillary did neither. That is her track record.
And Pompeo is better?
 

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The thing that America needs to realize is, that trump & company is what America is. That he is the perfect face in the mirror for what America is and always has been with all of it's preening self-serving glory. With dollars counting more than any peoples anywhere and that includes even the air, the water, or the land we all eat from. Trump is the face in the mirror for America that is the racist, bigoted, xenophobic, misogynist and murderous nation that 'wants all and wants it now' by any means necessary and always has been since it's birth.

D. Trump is nothing new in America, in fact he is All-American through and through.
 

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