Black People : Difference Between Democracy and Freedom

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We grew up thinking the American Revolutionaries were fighting for democracy. In truth, they feared democracy as much as they feared British rule. They understood that democracy and freedom are two different things.

Hear the words of Benjamin Franklin:
Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voiting over what to have for dinner
Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote

Of course, we know if the lamb's fleece is not as white as snow, he will be seen as a terrorist rather than a revolutionary.

We could do a study on how and when democracy took hold in America. Such a study might reveal some interesting things about what we should and should not be fighting for.
 

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Of course they are two different things: democracy is a political idea while freedom is a state of being. But they are very entwined so it is difficult to try to answer questions such as "Can you have freedom while living in a non-democratic state?".
 

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We grew up thinking the American Revolutionaries were fighting for democracy. In truth, they feared democracy as much as they feared British rule. They understood that democracy and freedom are two different things.

Hear the words of Benjamin Franklin:

Of course, we know if the lamb's fleece is not as white as snow, he will be seen as a terrorist rather than a revolutionary.

We could do a study on how and when democracy took hold in America. Such a study might reveal some interesting things about what we should and should not be fighting for.

now that is interesting. So he defined it as being three aspects, two wolves and a lamb voting.
 

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We grew up thinking the American Revolutionaries were fighting for democracy. In truth, they feared democracy as much as they feared British rule. They understood that democracy and freedom are two different things.

Hear the words of Benjamin Franklin:

Of course, we know if the lamb's fleece is not as white as snow, he will be seen as a terrorist rather than a revolutionary.

We could do a study on how and when democracy took hold in America. Such a study might reveal some interesting things about what we should and should not be fighting for.

Democracy took hold in America in earnest around the 1920s.
Democracy began to leak into the republican system here and there through various periods such as the Andrew Jackson administration and the U.S. Civil War.

The form of government of the United States and of the several States is republican.

The Framers hated democracy because they were a minority.
The Framers were elites. Typically within a society, the elites are a minority.
A republican form of government, in theory, protects the minority and individuals from groups.

What the history books do not tell is that political societies such as States and federations were founded for the benefit of its members and none other.

Think of Rome and the Twelve Tablets. The Twelve Tablets were for the benefit of its members and descendants (patricians). It's charter was forced to change due to political and social upheavals.

Keep in mind during the creation of federal constitution, many States had property qualifications in addition to the elective franchise restricted to Caucasian men.
 

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Of course they are two different things: democracy is a political idea while freedom is a state of being. But they are very entwined so it is difficult to try to answer questions such as "Can you have freedom while living in a non-democratic state?".

Democracy is a form of government.
Democracy frequently devolves into "tyranny of the majority".

Freedom is frequently wrapped up with political status or class.
 

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