Black Spirituality Religion : Did the Biblical God Cause Adam to Sin? Genesis Revisited

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God creates a man and does not give him the knowledge of right from wrong , good from evil. he puts that knowledge in the fruit of a tree then tells the man not to eat that fruit.

I posit that Adam's fault was not disobedience at alal but in discriminant obedience.

Having no concept of good and evil Adam did not know that he should obey god and not others. He simply obeys everyone. He obeys the commandment of god until the next person comes and gives him a new commandment. When Eve offers Adam the forbidden fruit he takes it immediately. There is no struggling with his conscience. No wrestling with whether it is right or wrong. He knows nothing of that.

Eve, on the other hand, being a woman and somewhat more receptive to the spirit world offers the serpent brief scrutiny of what he tells her to do. Not because she thinks it is wrong but because she has a slight perception that dying may be something she doesn't want to do, though nothing in her world had ever died so she quickly brushes her concerns aside.

The god of the bible returns and as if he does not understand the psychology of the humans he has made he acts as if Adam has done something wrong and worthy of punishment. And now we are to believe that because of these circumstances which the god of the bible set up himself the entire human race is worthy of eternal punishment.

This doctrine does not exist in the old testament. It does not exist in the gospels. It came into existence because the Church realized that they could not convince people that they needed Jesus to save them from their sins when these people had a standard of morality higher than that of the Europeans who were supposedly trying to save them. The doctrine of original sin excuses the degraded behavior of the proselytizers and discounts the superior morality of the so called savages.

I've even heard a preacher say that hell is full of good people. Many of our enslaved ancestors rejected Christianity because they had been beaten and raped, and killed and humiliated in every conceivable way by those who were trying to perv xxxxx I mean convert them and death was their only hope of rest. The thought of spending eternity in a heaven full of white folks was too much.
 

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Sister River, I love you! Do you know that? For real, I really love you.

This is beautiful. Many of us know this, but always good seeing it discussed and debated.

However, maybe my understanding here is bad, but it seems as if Eve is more to blame than Adam. Adam is the unknowing (read: innocent) child, and Eve was more prone to scrutiny - but went ahead anyway.

Explain?

One.

- Ikoro
 

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LOL!!!

Sister River, I love you! Do you know that? For real, I really love you.

This is beautiful. Many of us know this, but always good seeing it discussed and debated.

However, maybe my understanding here is bad, but it seems as if Eve is more to blame than Adam. Adam is the unknowing (read: innocent) child, and Eve was more prone to scrutiny - but went ahead anyway.

Explain?

One.

- Ikoro

You love da river? Then you will flow smoothly indeed.

Your question is valid. Many women in the Church take Paul's statement that Eve was deceived to mean that it was Adam who knew what he was doing and Eve was the innocent (read: gullible) party.

Neither of them fully understood what they were doing. Eve based her decision on the fact that the fruit was good (in the sense of being suitable not moral goodness) for food and the acquisition of knowledge. The god of the Bible gave Adam a task to subdue and have dominion over the Earth. Eve knew that in order to do this her husband needed knowledge.

Now if you look at this from a European cosmology Eve taking the trade off with the full knowledge of what it means to die would be beyond stupidity.

But if you look at it from an African cosmology it is the death of the ego that the eternal spirit may have knowledge In that case what they got was not a punishment but a natural consequence. The body (ego, person, individual) dies so that the spirit may grow. The way the god of the bable wanted it is for the body to live on forever and the spirit to remain in a state of eternal stagnation.. Just like now they give us material trinkets--gold-plated chains to hide the fact that the inner self is enslaved. The Creator of the uni-verse knows all things and is not taken by surprise by anything people choose to do.. It is the European mind that reduced the Creator to this low level regional manager whose childish understanding can only see the processes of nature and spirit in terms of sin..

Why would anyone care to look at a European text from an African cosmology. Because nothing originates in Europe. Everything they have is a stolen and twisted version of African truths. The effort to insist that we are reading historical events hides the deeper esoteric message in the mythology behind any text.

We know the bible is not historical because the first people were Black. But Adam and Eve--there's no way they were Black for two reasons.

1 There's not a Black women living that would take an apple from a snake.
2. There's not a Black man living that would give up his rib for a woman.

nuff said
 

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Peace Sis. River.

Personally, I'd give my heart, liver, kidney and what-not if the Creator said he'd give me a good Sister. So I'm not sure about your point there...

Also, let's be honest, some things have originated in europe. White jesus, white god, black devil (concept of), racism, white supremacy, synthetic foods, AIDS, ressentiment and many other things. Some good things too, like uh... you know... printing technology or something (help me out here)?

My original question was directed at your first post which seemed to indicate that you blame Eve for the fall of man, I see that this is not the case.

You got an interesting point when you say that Eve knew her husband had dominion, and to have dominion one must have knowledge (unless you're a figurehead like Bush etc). But if you wanna get into details, who told Eve that Adam had dominion. Does the bible shed any light on this?

For if your theory is to have any validity it must be made certain that Eve was told upon her conception that Adam was "da man". If not, she acted out of something else than innocence...WAIT.

I'm re-reading your post yet again, and what it looks like this time around is that Eve planned a rebellion against god or something. Follow this:

1. Adam was "da man" (read: had dominion)
2. Eve was created and was informed that Adam was to have dominion
3. Eve talks to the snake, deems the apple good for Adam because it gives knowledge
4. Disobeys god (that is, Eve does) and gives Adam the knowledge to be independent of god

Whoa. I'm maybe taking it out of context.

My final question, why apply Afrikan cosmology to a perverted book? That's like applying Odinani to the satanic scriptures or sankofa to a playboy magazine?

Just wondering, what's the purpose?

Much love, keep on flowing.

- Ikoro
 

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