Health and Wellness : COVID Chronicles - The Truth Shall Set You Free

Writeous1

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Looking into America's Frontline Doctors, I'll charitably call, group (or whatever else you want to call them) we find..............






Nuff said.
One agent identified.

1. Who do you work for?

2. Do you comment on all the outright lies and false information that make the vaccines look good?

You would think that the information would be attacked, not the messenger (America’s Frontline Doctors), right?

Here’s the study published in the Lancet:
COVID-19 vaccine efficacy and effectiveness—the elephant (not) in the room
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanmic/article/PIIS2666-5247(21)00069-0/fulltext
 

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One agent identified.
Oooh, I've never been called an agent before! Do I get to be secret too?????with a code book, a decoder ring and ever'thing?

Who do you work for?
I don't slave for beggars pay nor for silver or gold.
I ain't no wage slave.

Who do you shill for?

Do you comment on all the outright lies and false information that make the vaccines look good?
Yeh, when I run across the very, very, very few of them. (three very's!!!!!!!!! did you catch that?) Or should I replay it in a endless loop to cut off any contextual meaning?

You would think that the information would be attacked, not the messenger (America’s Frontline Doctors), right?
Yo, they were YOUR cited reference. What I posted was just off the first page of 3.75 million hits from google. You're welcome to go through them all to try and find something good about that gang of grifters.
And please do try and stay with reputable sources.

Here’s the study published in the Lancet:
COVID-19 vaccine efficacy and effectiveness—the elephant (not) in the room
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanmic/article/PIIS2666-5247(21)00069-0/fulltext
Did you actually read that report? Or did you just like the head line? I don't think it says what you think it says. (or rather what you want it to say)
In any case it did make my head hurt reading it and I'm thinking about giving a shout out to Kem to see if I've translated it right.

At any rate how do you think your American's Frontline gang favored and touted meds of Ivermectin and Hydroxy Chloroquine would stack up in efficacy or effectiveness against the available vaccines using the same criteria of the Lancet study? Bet I can come up with a concoction of juniper berries and quinine that will do just as well as what the American Frontline thieves have recommended and it won't short change anyone of the important medicines needed for problems like Malaria or River Blindness.
 

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Yo, they were YOUR cited reference. What I posted was just off the first page of 3.75 million hits from google. You're welcome to go through them all to try and find something good about that gang of grifters.
And please do try and stay with reputable sources.


Did you actually read that report? Or did you just like the head line? I don't think it says what you think it says. (or rather what you want it to say)
In any case it did make my head hurt reading it and I'm thinking about giving a shout out to Kem to see if I've translated it right.

At any rate how do you think your American's Frontline gang favored and touted meds of Ivermectin and Hydroxy Chloroquine would stack up in efficacy or effectiveness against the available vaccines using the same criteria of the Lancet study? Bet I can come up with a concoction of juniper berries and quinine that will do just as well as what the American Frontline thieves have recommended and it won't short change anyone of the important medicines needed for problems like Malaria or River Blindness.

Once again, this is what they cited, which says the same thing:
COVID-19 vaccine efficacy and effectiveness—the elephant (not) in the room
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanmic/article/PIIS2666-5247(21)00069-0/fulltext

“Vaccine efficacy is generally reported as a relative risk reduction (RRR). It uses the relative risk (RR)—ie, the ratio of attack rates with and without a vaccine—which is expressed as 1–RR. Ranking by reported efficacy gives relative risk reductions of 95% for the Pfizer–BioNTech, 94% for the Moderna–NIH, 91% for the Gamaleya, 67% for the J&J, and 67% for the AstraZeneca–Oxford vaccines. However, RRR should be seen against the background risk of being infected and becoming ill with COVID-19, which varies between populations and over time. Although the RRR considers only participants who could benefit from the vaccine, the absolute risk reduction (ARR), which is the difference between attack rates with and without a vaccine, considers the whole population. ARRs tend to be ignored because they give a much less impressive effect size than RRRs: 1·3% for the AstraZeneca–Oxford, 1·2% for the Moderna–NIH, 1·2% for the J&J, 0·93% for the Gamaleya, and 0·84% for the Pfizer–BioNTech vaccines.”

Stop it.

And if you know anything about Big Pharma you know that you have to crazy to trust the studies they do on their own protects.

This is just a little bit of what goes on:

Experts Conclude Pfizer Manipulated Studies
(Oct. 8, 2008)

https://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/08/health/research/08drug.html

Suit Alleges Pfizer Spun Unfavorable Drug Studies
(Oct. 8, 2008)

https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB122342420313813411

Pfizer Settles Lawsuits over Prescription Pain Killers Bextra and Celebrex
https://www.hbsslaw.com/press/celeb...prescription-pain-killers-bextra-and-celebrex

Pfizer to pay $2.3 billion, agrees to criminal plea
(September 2, 2009)

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...agrees-to-criminal-plea-idUSTRE5813XB20090902

Insurer sues Pfizer for paying kickbacks to docs
https://www.pogustmillrood.com/insurer-sues-pfizer-paying-kickbacks-docs/



And I guess Americans forgot that Big Pharma owns the Congress and the FDA.
 

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“Do the COVID-19 vaccines contain aborted fetal cells? No, the COVID-19 vaccines do not contain aborted fetal cells. However, Johnson & Johnson did use fetal cell lines — not fetal tissue — when developing and producing their vaccine, while Pfizer and Moderna used fetal cell lines to test their vaccines and make sure that they work. Fetal cell lines are grown in a laboratory and were started with cells from elective abortions that occurred several decades ago in the 1970s-80s. They are now thousands of generations removed from the original fetal tissue. None of the COVID-19 vaccines use fetal cells derived from recent abortions.”
Source: (your source): COVID-19 Vaccine FAQs
https://www.uclahealth.org/webview.cfm?id=3680&cat=Addressing Concerns


To the readers of this post (not the commenter):

Fetal cell lines sound very different than aborted fetal cells, right? And this same thing is being echoed from multiple sources, right? Well, it turns out that this is just more of their medical/scientific trickery with words. That means we first have to learn; then we’ll be able to see through the trickery. And when you’re finished with all the information below, come back and read that paragraph again and see if you can spot all the trickery in it.




“There are two types of cell division: mitosis and meiosis. Most of the time when people refer to ‘cell division,’ they mean mitosis, the process of making new body cells. Meiosis is the type of cell division that creates egg and sperm cells.”
Source: How do cells divide?
https://medlineplus.gov/genetics/understanding/howgeneswork/cellsdivide/




“The primary mechanism by which organisms generate new cells is through cell division. During this process, a single ‘parent’ cell will divide and produce identical ‘daughter’ cells. In this way, the parent cell passes on its genetic material to each of its daughter cells. First, however, the cells must duplicate their DNA. Mitosis is the process by which a cell segregates its duplicated DNA, ultimately dividing its nucleus into two. Cell division is a universal process among living organisms.”
Source: What Is Mitosis?
https://www.livescience.com/52512-mitosis.html


- “…a single ‘parent’ cell will divide and produce identical ‘daughter’ cells.”

Another source for that statement:

“Mitosis is a process of nuclear division in eukaryotic cells that occurs when a parent cell divides to produce two identical daughter cells.”
Source: mitosis / cell division
https://www.nature.com/scitable/definition/mitosis-cell-division-47/




Moving on…

“Every day, every hour, every second one of the most important events in life is going on in your body—cells are dividing. When cells divide, they make new cells. A single cell divides to make two cells and these two cells then divide to make four cells, and so on. We call this process ‘cell division’ and ‘cell reproduction,’ because new cells are formed when old cells divide.”
Source: Building Blocks of Life
https://askabiologist.asu.edu/cell-division




“A new cell arises when one cell divides or when two cells, like a sperm and an egg cell, fuse. Either event sets off a cell-replication program that is encoded in the DNA and executed by proteins. This program usually involves a period of cell growth, during which proteins are made and DNA is replicated, followed by cell division, when a cell divides into two daughter cells. Whether a given cell will grow and divide is a highly regulated decision of the body, assuring that an adult organism replaces worn out cells or makes more cells in response to a new need. Examples of the latter are the growth of muscle in response to exercise or damage, and the proliferation of red blood cells when a person ascends to a higher altitude and needs more capacity to capture oxygen. However, in one major and devastating disease — cancer — cells multiply even though they are not needed by the body.”
Source: Molecular Cell Biology. 4th edition. - Section 1.4 The Life Cycle of Cells
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK21685/




“Cells can replicate themselves. The ability to reproduce is part of what defines cells as living things. This single characteristic also helps explain many other phenomena of life as we know it, including the emergence of multicellular organisms, the wide variety of tissues observed in living things, and even the scourge of cancer. The process by which a single cell divides into two daughter cells is called mitosis.”
Source: Unit 5: How Do Cells Know When to Divide?
https://www.nature.com/scitable/ebo...10/how-do-cells-know-when-to-divide-14751793/



So, we have established that cells replicate themselves, and when they do they produce identical daughter cells.





What is a cell line?

“Cell culture refers to the removal of cells from an animal or plant and their subsequent
growth in a favorable artificial environment. The cells may be removed from the tissue
directly and disaggregated by enzymatic or mechanical means before cultivation, or they
may be derived from a cell line or cell strain that has already been established.
Primary Culture
Primary culture refers to the stage of the culture after the cells are isolated from the tissue
and proliferated under the appropriate conditions until they occupy all of the available
substrate (i.e., reach confluence). At this stage, the cells have to be subcultured (i.e.,
passaged) by transferring them to a new vessel with fresh growth medium to provide
more room for continued growth.
Cell Line
After the first subculture, the primary culture becomes known as a cell line or subclone.
Cell lines derived from primary cultures have a limited life span (i.e., they are finite; see
below), and as they are passaged, cells with the highest growth capacity predominate,
resulting in a degree of genotypic and phenotypic uniformity in the population.”
Source: Cell Culture Basics pg. 8 (of pdf)
https://www.vanderbilt.edu/viibre/CellCultureBasicsEU.pdf


Also stated by ThermoFisher:

Introduction to Cell Culture
https://www.thermofisher.com/us/en/...ture-basics/introduction-to-cell-culture.html




Differences between cell lines, primary cell culture and secondary cell culture | Rapid-fire Q6





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Primary Cell culture and cell line | Cell culture basics




So, as you can see, this is all about the division of cultured cells. Cell lines are copies of the original cell culture, that is, they are daughter cells, identical cells. And though they may change some naturally over time (according to sources I haven’t used here), they don’t become cells from a pig, a mouse, or some other animal after replicating. No, they remain the same, which, in the case of what we’re discussing, they remain aborted fetal cells! They are aborted fetal cells! They are not part of a cell. They are not something that was created in a lab based on the original cells (in the way they make it out to be). They are aborted fetal cells!




Watch the beginning - 4:40

Cell Immortalization: How to Immortalize Cells




“The fetal fibroblast cells used to grow vaccine viruses were first obtained from elective termination of two pregnancies in the early 1960s. These same fetal cells obtained from the early 1960s have continued to grow in the laboratory and are used to make vaccines today. No further sources of fetal cells are needed to make these vaccines. … Almost all cells die after they have divided a certain number of times; scientifically, this number is known as the Hayflick limit. For most cell lines, including fetal cells, it is around 50 divisions; however, because fetal cells have not divided as many times as other cell types, they can be used longer. In addition, because of the ability to maintain cells at very low temperatures, such as in liquid nitrogen, scientists are able to continue using the same fetal cell lines that were isolated in the 1960s.”
Source (a source from your Wikipedia source): Vaccine Ingredients – Fetal Cells
https://www.chop.edu/centers-programs/vaccine-education-center/vaccine-ingredients/fetal-tissues



“No, the COVID-19 vaccines do not contain any aborted fetal cells. However, fetal cell lines – cells grown in a laboratory based on aborted fetal cells collected generations ago – were used in testing during research and development of the mRNA vaccines, and during production of the Johnson & Johnson vaccine. … Fetal cell lines are cells that grow in a laboratory. They descend from cells taken from abortions in the 1970s and 1980s. Those individual cells from the 1970s and 1980s have since multiplied into many new cells over the past four or five decades, creating the fetal cell lines I mentioned above.”
Source (your source): You asked, we answered: Do the COVID-19 vaccines contain aborted fetal cells?
https://www.nebraskamed.com/COVID/y...covid-19-vaccines-contain-aborted-fetal-cells

Just look at how they worded that. It’s absolute deceit. And one of their tricks is to refer to the primary culture, the cells taken directly from the host, when saying “no”; then refer to the cell lines when saying “yes,” knowing the reader doesn’t know what cell lines actually are. Technically, it’s not the original cells, the exact same ones first taken directly from the host, and that’s what they capitalize on. And notice how they go from referring to the cell source/type, aborted fetal cells, to what all cells that have gone through that process are called, cell lines. (It should be “aborted fetal cells” to “aborted fetal cells” or “primary culture” to “cell lines.”) And notice how when they talk about what is in the vaccine they drop the “aborted” part and just call it “fetal.”




“Do the COVID-19 vaccines contain aborted fetal cells? No, the COVID-19 vaccines do not contain aborted fetal cells. However, Johnson & Johnson did use fetal cell lines — not fetal tissue — when developing and producing their vaccine, while Pfizer and Moderna used fetal cell lines to test their vaccines and make sure that they work. Fetal cell lines are grown in a laboratory and were started with cells from elective abortions that occurred several decades ago in the 1970s-80s.”
Source (your source): COVID-19 Vaccine FAQs
https://www.uclahealth.org/webview.cfm?id=3680&cat=Addressing Concerns




“The use of cells derived from fetal tissue in clinical research dates back to the 1960s when Dr. Leonard Hayflick, a scientist at the Wistar Institute in Philadelphia created WI-38 cells from an aborted four-month-gestation fetus. Since then, Hayflick's cell line has been used to create a multitude of vaccines against rubella, rabies, polio, measles, chickenpox and shingles. Fetal tissue has been used to study HIV/AIDS, birth defects, Parkinson's and Alzheimer's disease, among many others, an application that has sparked fierce social and political debate in the USA. When it comes to the COVID-19 vaccines, at least five candidates undergoing clinical trials use fetal-derived cell lines: from China's CanSino Biologics, the University of Oxford partnered with AstraZeneca, Janssen (a subsidiary of Johnson & Johnson), the University of Pittsburgh and California-based ImmunityBio. HEK-293, used by four of the developers, is a kidney cell line derived from a fetus aborted in 1972. PER.C6 is a proprietary cell line owned by Janssen that was created from eye cells from an 18-week-old fetus aborted in 1985, according to Science.”
Source: Fact check: COVID-19 vaccine 'morally acceptable,' Vatican says, but some claims missing context
(December 29, 2020)
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...s-morally-acceptable-vatican-says/4014905001/

- “…dates back to the 1960s when Dr. Leonard Hayflick, a scientist at the Wistar Institute in Philadelphia created WI-38 cells from an aborted four-month-gestation fetus.” Four months!




Immortalised cell lines are an important research tool offering a stable medium for experiments. These are derived either from tumors, which have developed resistance to cellular senescence, or from stem cells originally taken from aborted fetuses.[9] Fetal cell lines have been used in the manufacture of vaccines since 1930s.[10] One of the first medical applications of cell lines derived from fetal tissues was their use in the production of the first polio vaccines.[10] For example, in the 1950s, scientists at the Karolinska Institute in Sweden propagated a polio virus in fetal cell lines to make into a polio vaccine. The resulting vaccine was given to about 2,000 children.[11]

Many other vaccines, including those for chicken pox and rubella, are made using cell lines originally derived from fetal tissue from two pregnancies terminated in the 1960s, for reasons unrelated to vaccine development.[10][12][13] Descendants of the fibroblast cells from these fetuses have been growing in labs ever since, as the WI-38 and MRC-5 cell lines. They are still used to grow vaccine viruses today.[14][1] As of March 2017, billions of vaccines have been given that were made using the WI-38 line alone.[15]

Vaccines that have been or are made using cell lines originally derived from fetal tissue include:


Of these, the vaccines approved for use in the United States include some of those against rabies (Imovax), rubella, chicken pox, shingles, and adenovirus (as of January 2017).[11]
Source (your source): Use of fetal tissue in vaccine development
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_of_fetal_tissue_in_vaccine_development


If you want additional info see this:

A Brief History of Human Diploid Cell Strains
https://www.pdcnet.org/C1257D43006C...711B6/$FILE/ncbq_2006_0006_0003_0047_0055.pdf




“Some people wonder whether the vaccines made using human fetal cells (chickenpox, rubella, hepatitis A, one version of the rabies vaccine, and one version of the COVID-19 vaccine) could cause harm if the DNA from the fetal cells “mixes” with the vaccine recipient’s DNA. This is not likely to happen: Stability of DNA - Because DNA is not stable when exposed to certain chemicals, much of it is destroyed in the process of making the vaccine. Therefore, the amount of human DNA in the final vaccine preparation is minimal (trillionths of a gram) and highly fragmented. Because the DNA is fragmented, it cannot possibly create a whole protein that could be harmful.”
Source (a source from your Wikipedia source): Vaccine Ingredients — DNA
https://www.chop.edu/centers-programs/vaccine-education-center/vaccine-ingredients/dna

- “Therefore, the amount of human DNA in the final vaccine preparation is minimal (trillionths of a gram) and highly fragmented.”




“Some childhood vaccines, including the one against rubella -- which is part of the MMR vaccine given to millions of children worldwide for measles, mumps and rubella -- is cultured in ‘WI-38 human diploid lung fibroblasts,’ according to the U.S. Food and Drug Administration's fact sheet on the vaccine's ingredients. Merck, the vaccine's manufacturer, acknowledged that those cells were originally obtained from an electively aborted fetus. They were used to start a cell line, which is a cell multiplied over and over again to produce cells that are of a consistent genetic makeup. The WI-38 cell line is used as a culture to grow live viruses that are used in vaccines. ‘Merck, as well as other vaccine manufacturers, uses two well-established human cell lines to grow the virus for selected vaccines,’ Merck said in a statement to ABC News. ‘The FDA has approved the use of these cell lines for the production of these Merck vaccines.’ Other common vaccines, including those for chicken pox, hepatitis and rabies, are also propagated in cells originating from legally aborted human fetuses, according to the FDA. … To say that the vaccines contain a significant amount of human fetal tissue, as some objectors to the vaccines claim, is misleading, stressed Dr. Paul Offit, the director of the vaccine education center at the Children's Hospital of Philadelphia. ‘There are perhaps nanograms of DNA fragments still found in the vaccine, perhaps billionths of a gram,’ he said.”
Source (a source from your Wikipedia source): What Aborted Fetuses Have to Do With Vaccines
(February 17, 2015)
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/aborted-fetuses-vaccines/story?id=29005539

- “There are perhaps nanograms of DNA fragments still found in the vaccine, perhaps billionths of a gram…”




Thanks for helping to clear that up.




And to you, the reader of this post, go back and read that paragraph; then come back and look at the deceit in these:

Pfizer’s COVID-19 vaccine does not contain fetal cells, contrary to online claims
https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-529913215948

Does Pfizer’s COVID-19 Vaccine Contain Aborted Fetal Cells?
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/pfizer-covid-19-vaccine-fetal-cells/

Fact Check-Johnson & Johnson’s COVID-19 vaccine does not contain aborted fetal cells
https://www.reuters.com/article/fac...not-contain-aborted-fetal-cells-idUSL1N2LU1T9
 

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Once again, this is what they cited, which says the same thing:
COVID-19 vaccine efficacy and effectiveness—the elephant (not) in the room
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanmic/article/PIIS2666-5247(21)00069-0/fulltext

“Vaccine efficacy is generally reported as a relative risk reduction (RRR). It uses the relative risk (RR)—ie, the ratio of attack rates with and without a vaccine—which is expressed as 1–RR. Ranking by reported efficacy gives relative risk reductions of 95% for the Pfizer–BioNTech, 94% for the Moderna–NIH, 91% for the Gamaleya, 67% for the J&J, and 67% for the AstraZeneca–Oxford vaccines. However, RRR should be seen against the background risk of being infected and becoming ill with COVID-19, which varies between populations and over time. Although the RRR considers only participants who could benefit from the vaccine, the absolute risk reduction (ARR), which is the difference between attack rates with and without a vaccine, considers the whole population. ARRs tend to be ignored because they give a much less impressive effect size than RRRs: 1·3% for the AstraZeneca–Oxford, 1·2% for the Moderna–NIH, 1·2% for the J&J, 0·93% for the Gamaleya, and 0·84% for the Pfizer–BioNTech vaccines.”

Stop it.
What am I to stop? Bothering you? reading? thinking critically? What am I to stop?
And by the way before I get to that lancet 'study', you never did tell who YOU WORK FOR.

Yeh, that lancet 'study'.
Do you consider that cute little cut and paste job of one paragraph of basic risk assessment the sum total of what they said? i.e. the elephant in the room? If so you didn't actually read or understand the the report but instead just took some grifters word for the article's meaning. Hint hint, the writer/s buried the lede (the so called elephant (not) in the room) within (if memory serves) the last paragraph where they, in essence, say 'we are not going to rid ourselves of this virus with these vaccines only'.
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"And if you know anything about Big Pharma you know that you have to crazy to trust the studies they do on their own protects.

This is just a little bit of what goes on:

Experts Conclude Pfizer Manipulated Studies
(Oct. 8, 2008)
https://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/08/health/research/08drug.html

Suit Alleges Pfizer Spun Unfavorable Drug Studies
(Oct. 8, 2008)
https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB122342420313813411

Pfizer Settles Lawsuits over Prescription Pain Killers Bextra and Celebrex
https://www.hbsslaw.com/press/celeb...prescription-pain-killers-bextra-and-celebrex

Pfizer to pay $2.3 billion, agrees to criminal plea
(September 2, 2009)
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...agrees-to-criminal-plea-idUSTRE5813XB20090902

Insurer sues Pfizer for paying kickbacks to docs
https://www.pogustmillrood.com/insurer-sues-pfizer-paying-kickbacks-docs/



And I guess Americans forgot that Big Pharma owns the Congress and the FDA." end writeous1 quote

That's really another all together different topic isn't it. A topic that mushrooms out into all kinds of directions of laissez faire capitalism and of the oligarchy.
Do try and stay on task.


“Do the COVID-19 vaccines contain aborted fetal cells? No, the COVID-19 vaccines do not contain aborted fetal cells. However, Johnson & Johnson did use fetal cell lines — not fetal tissue — when developing and producing their vaccine, while Pfizer and Moderna used fetal cell lines to test their vaccines and make sure that they work. Fetal cell lines are grown in a laboratory and were started with cells from elective abortions that occurred several decades ago in the 1970s-80s. They are now thousands of generations removed from the original fetal tissue. None of the COVID-19 vaccines use fetal cells derived from recent abortions.”
Source: (your source): COVID-19 Vaccine FAQs
https://www.uclahealth.org/webview.cfm?id=3680&cat=Addressing Concerns


To the readers of this post (not the commenter):

Fetal cell lines sound very different than aborted fetal cells, right? And this same thing is being echoed from multiple sources, right? Well, it turns out that this is just more of their medical/scientific trickery with words. That means we first have to learn; then we’ll be able to see through the trickery. And when you’re finished with all the information below, come back and read that paragraph again and see if you can spot all the trickery in it.




“There are two types of cell division: mitosis and meiosis. Most of the time when people refer to ‘cell division,’ they mean mitosis, the process of making new body cells. Meiosis is the type of cell division that creates egg and sperm cells.”
Source: How do cells divide?
https://medlineplus.gov/genetics/understanding/howgeneswork/cellsdivide/




“The primary mechanism by which organisms generate new cells is through cell division. During this process, a single ‘parent’ cell will divide and produce identical ‘daughter’ cells. In this way, the parent cell passes on its genetic material to each of its daughter cells. First, however, the cells must duplicate their DNA. Mitosis is the process by which a cell segregates its duplicated DNA, ultimately dividing its nucleus into two. Cell division is a universal process among living organisms.”
Source: What Is Mitosis?
https://www.livescience.com/52512-mitosis.html


- “…a single ‘parent’ cell will divide and produce identical ‘daughter’ cells.”

Another source for that statement:

“Mitosis is a process of nuclear division in eukaryotic cells that occurs when a parent cell divides to produce two identical daughter cells.”
Source: mitosis / cell division
https://www.nature.com/scitable/definition/mitosis-cell-division-47/




Moving on…

“Every day, every hour, every second one of the most important events in life is going on in your body—cells are dividing. When cells divide, they make new cells. A single cell divides to make two cells and these two cells then divide to make four cells, and so on. We call this process ‘cell division’ and ‘cell reproduction,’ because new cells are formed when old cells divide.”
Source: Building Blocks of Life
https://askabiologist.asu.edu/cell-division




“A new cell arises when one cell divides or when two cells, like a sperm and an egg cell, fuse. Either event sets off a cell-replication program that is encoded in the DNA and executed by proteins. This program usually involves a period of cell growth, during which proteins are made and DNA is replicated, followed by cell division, when a cell divides into two daughter cells. Whether a given cell will grow and divide is a highly regulated decision of the body, assuring that an adult organism replaces worn out cells or makes more cells in response to a new need. Examples of the latter are the growth of muscle in response to exercise or damage, and the proliferation of red blood cells when a person ascends to a higher altitude and needs more capacity to capture oxygen. However, in one major and devastating disease — cancer — cells multiply even though they are not needed by the body.”
Source: Molecular Cell Biology. 4th edition. - Section 1.4 The Life Cycle of Cells
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK21685/




“Cells can replicate themselves. The ability to reproduce is part of what defines cells as living things. This single characteristic also helps explain many other phenomena of life as we know it, including the emergence of multicellular organisms, the wide variety of tissues observed in living things, and even the scourge of cancer. The process by which a single cell divides into two daughter cells is called mitosis.”
Source: Unit 5: How Do Cells Know When to Divide?
https://www.nature.com/scitable/ebo...10/how-do-cells-know-when-to-divide-14751793/



So, we have established that cells replicate themselves, and when they do they produce identical daughter cells.





What is a cell line?

“Cell culture refers to the removal of cells from an animal or plant and their subsequent
growth in a favorable artificial environment. The cells may be removed from the tissue
directly and disaggregated by enzymatic or mechanical means before cultivation, or they
may be derived from a cell line or cell strain that has already been established.
Primary Culture
Primary culture refers to the stage of the culture after the cells are isolated from the tissue
and proliferated under the appropriate conditions until they occupy all of the available
substrate (i.e., reach confluence). At this stage, the cells have to be subcultured (i.e.,
passaged) by transferring them to a new vessel with fresh growth medium to provide
more room for continued growth.
Cell Line
After the first subculture, the primary culture becomes known as a cell line or subclone.
Cell lines derived from primary cultures have a limited life span (i.e., they are finite; see
below), and as they are passaged, cells with the highest growth capacity predominate,
resulting in a degree of genotypic and phenotypic uniformity in the population.”
Source: Cell Culture Basics pg. 8 (of pdf)
https://www.vanderbilt.edu/viibre/CellCultureBasicsEU.pdf


Also stated by ThermoFisher:

Introduction to Cell Culture
https://www.thermofisher.com/us/en/...ture-basics/introduction-to-cell-culture.html




Differences between cell lines, primary cell culture and secondary cell culture | Rapid-fire Q6





Watch the beginning - 4:26

Primary Cell culture and cell line | Cell culture basics




So, as you can see, this is all about the division of cultured cells. Cell lines are copies of the original cell culture, that is, they are daughter cells, identical cells. And though they may change some naturally over time (according to sources I haven’t used here), they don’t become cells from a pig, a mouse, or some other animal after replicating. No, they remain the same, which, in the case of what we’re discussing, they remain aborted fetal cells! They are aborted fetal cells! They are not part of a cell. They are not something that was created in a lab based on the original cells (in the way they make it out to be). They are aborted fetal cells!




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Cell Immortalization: How to Immortalize Cells




“The fetal fibroblast cells used to grow vaccine viruses were first obtained from elective termination of two pregnancies in the early 1960s. These same fetal cells obtained from the early 1960s have continued to grow in the laboratory and are used to make vaccines today. No further sources of fetal cells are needed to make these vaccines. … Almost all cells die after they have divided a certain number of times; scientifically, this number is known as the Hayflick limit. For most cell lines, including fetal cells, it is around 50 divisions; however, because fetal cells have not divided as many times as other cell types, they can be used longer. In addition, because of the ability to maintain cells at very low temperatures, such as in liquid nitrogen, scientists are able to continue using the same fetal cell lines that were isolated in the 1960s.”
Source (a source from your Wikipedia source): Vaccine Ingredients – Fetal Cells
https://www.chop.edu/centers-programs/vaccine-education-center/vaccine-ingredients/fetal-tissues



“No, the COVID-19 vaccines do not contain any aborted fetal cells. However, fetal cell lines – cells grown in a laboratory based on aborted fetal cells collected generations ago – were used in testing during research and development of the mRNA vaccines, and during production of the Johnson & Johnson vaccine. … Fetal cell lines are cells that grow in a laboratory. They descend from cells taken from abortions in the 1970s and 1980s. Those individual cells from the 1970s and 1980s have since multiplied into many new cells over the past four or five decades, creating the fetal cell lines I mentioned above.”
Source (your source): You asked, we answered: Do the COVID-19 vaccines contain aborted fetal cells?
https://www.nebraskamed.com/COVID/y...covid-19-vaccines-contain-aborted-fetal-cells

Just look at how they worded that. It’s absolute deceit. And one of their tricks is to refer to the primary culture, the cells taken directly from the host, when saying “no”; then refer to the cell lines when saying “yes,” knowing the reader doesn’t know what cell lines actually are. Technically, it’s not the original cells, the exact same ones first taken directly from the host, and that’s what they capitalize on. And notice how they go from referring to the cell source/type, aborted fetal cells, to what all cells that have gone through that process are called, cell lines. (It should be “aborted fetal cells” to “aborted fetal cells” or “primary culture” to “cell lines.”) And notice how when they talk about what is in the vaccine they drop the “aborted” part and just call it “fetal.”




“Do the COVID-19 vaccines contain aborted fetal cells? No, the COVID-19 vaccines do not contain aborted fetal cells. However, Johnson & Johnson did use fetal cell lines — not fetal tissue — when developing and producing their vaccine, while Pfizer and Moderna used fetal cell lines to test their vaccines and make sure that they work. Fetal cell lines are grown in a laboratory and were started with cells from elective abortions that occurred several decades ago in the 1970s-80s.”
Source (your source): COVID-19 Vaccine FAQs
https://www.uclahealth.org/webview.cfm?id=3680&cat=Addressing Concerns




“The use of cells derived from fetal tissue in clinical research dates back to the 1960s when Dr. Leonard Hayflick, a scientist at the Wistar Institute in Philadelphia created WI-38 cells from an aborted four-month-gestation fetus. Since then, Hayflick's cell line has been used to create a multitude of vaccines against rubella, rabies, polio, measles, chickenpox and shingles. Fetal tissue has been used to study HIV/AIDS, birth defects, Parkinson's and Alzheimer's disease, among many others, an application that has sparked fierce social and political debate in the USA. When it comes to the COVID-19 vaccines, at least five candidates undergoing clinical trials use fetal-derived cell lines: from China's CanSino Biologics, the University of Oxford partnered with AstraZeneca, Janssen (a subsidiary of Johnson & Johnson), the University of Pittsburgh and California-based ImmunityBio. HEK-293, used by four of the developers, is a kidney cell line derived from a fetus aborted in 1972. PER.C6 is a proprietary cell line owned by Janssen that was created from eye cells from an 18-week-old fetus aborted in 1985, according to Science.”
Source: Fact check: COVID-19 vaccine 'morally acceptable,' Vatican says, but some claims missing context
(December 29, 2020)
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...s-morally-acceptable-vatican-says/4014905001/

- “…dates back to the 1960s when Dr. Leonard Hayflick, a scientist at the Wistar Institute in Philadelphia created WI-38 cells from an aborted four-month-gestation fetus.” Four months!




Immortalised cell lines are an important research tool offering a stable medium for experiments. These are derived either from tumors, which have developed resistance to cellular senescence, or from stem cells originally taken from aborted fetuses.[9] Fetal cell lines have been used in the manufacture of vaccines since 1930s.[10] One of the first medical applications of cell lines derived from fetal tissues was their use in the production of the first polio vaccines.[10] For example, in the 1950s, scientists at the Karolinska Institute in Sweden propagated a polio virus in fetal cell lines to make into a polio vaccine. The resulting vaccine was given to about 2,000 children.[11]

Many other vaccines, including those for chicken pox and rubella, are made using cell lines originally derived from fetal tissue from two pregnancies terminated in the 1960s, for reasons unrelated to vaccine development.[10][12][13] Descendants of the fibroblast cells from these fetuses have been growing in labs ever since, as the WI-38 and MRC-5 cell lines. They are still used to grow vaccine viruses today.[14][1] As of March 2017, billions of vaccines have been given that were made using the WI-38 line alone.[15]

Vaccines that have been or are made using cell lines originally derived from fetal tissue include:


Of these, the vaccines approved for use in the United States include some of those against rabies (Imovax), rubella, chicken pox, shingles, and adenovirus (as of January 2017).[11]
Source (your source): Use of fetal tissue in vaccine development
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_of_fetal_tissue_in_vaccine_development


If you want additional info see this:

A Brief History of Human Diploid Cell Strains
https://www.pdcnet.org/C1257D43006C...711B6/$FILE/ncbq_2006_0006_0003_0047_0055.pdf




“Some people wonder whether the vaccines made using human fetal cells (chickenpox, rubella, hepatitis A, one version of the rabies vaccine, and one version of the COVID-19 vaccine) could cause harm if the DNA from the fetal cells “mixes” with the vaccine recipient’s DNA. This is not likely to happen: Stability of DNA - Because DNA is not stable when exposed to certain chemicals, much of it is destroyed in the process of making the vaccine. Therefore, the amount of human DNA in the final vaccine preparation is minimal (trillionths of a gram) and highly fragmented. Because the DNA is fragmented, it cannot possibly create a whole protein that could be harmful.”
Source (a source from your Wikipedia source): Vaccine Ingredients — DNA
https://www.chop.edu/centers-programs/vaccine-education-center/vaccine-ingredients/dna

- “Therefore, the amount of human DNA in the final vaccine preparation is minimal (trillionths of a gram) and highly fragmented.”




“Some childhood vaccines, including the one against rubella -- which is part of the MMR vaccine given to millions of children worldwide for measles, mumps and rubella -- is cultured in ‘WI-38 human diploid lung fibroblasts,’ according to the U.S. Food and Drug Administration's fact sheet on the vaccine's ingredients. Merck, the vaccine's manufacturer, acknowledged that those cells were originally obtained from an electively aborted fetus. They were used to start a cell line, which is a cell multiplied over and over again to produce cells that are of a consistent genetic makeup. The WI-38 cell line is used as a culture to grow live viruses that are used in vaccines. ‘Merck, as well as other vaccine manufacturers, uses two well-established human cell lines to grow the virus for selected vaccines,’ Merck said in a statement to ABC News. ‘The FDA has approved the use of these cell lines for the production of these Merck vaccines.’ Other common vaccines, including those for chicken pox, hepatitis and rabies, are also propagated in cells originating from legally aborted human fetuses, according to the FDA. … To say that the vaccines contain a significant amount of human fetal tissue, as some objectors to the vaccines claim, is misleading, stressed Dr. Paul Offit, the director of the vaccine education center at the Children's Hospital of Philadelphia. ‘There are perhaps nanograms of DNA fragments still found in the vaccine, perhaps billionths of a gram,’ he said.”
Source (a source from your Wikipedia source): What Aborted Fetuses Have to Do With Vaccines
(February 17, 2015)
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/aborted-fetuses-vaccines/story?id=29005539

- “There are perhaps nanograms of DNA fragments still found in the vaccine, perhaps billionths of a gram…”




Thanks for helping to clear that up.




And to you, the reader of this post, go back and read that paragraph; then come back and look at the deceit in these:

Pfizer’s COVID-19 vaccine does not contain fetal cells, contrary to online claims
https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-529913215948

Does Pfizer’s COVID-19 Vaccine Contain Aborted Fetal Cells?
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/pfizer-covid-19-vaccine-fetal-cells/

Fact Check-Johnson & Johnson’s COVID-19 vaccine does not contain aborted fetal cells
https://www.reuters.com/article/fac...not-contain-aborted-fetal-cells-idUSL1N2LU1T9
Aah, I've been disinvited, I'm hurt.

Oh well, I'll throw my hat into the ring anyways.
Nice data dump there writeous1
So writeous1, I take it your anti-vax all the way?because after all any vaccine is is grown in something. If you, say came in contact with rabies you'd rather die than take the medicine that'd save your life? Or blissfully face smallpox than just get a shot (or however they give it these days)? or polio? or ebola?
How far are you willing to go there? How far into that darwinist survival of the fittest theory are you willing to go?

Back to the present issue to covid-19 or the sars2 virus:
Where's a long interview with two knowledgeable intelligents' that address the concerns and some of the misinformation, the disinformation and lies by omission that have been introduced in this thread. led by; Interviewer: Kyle Allred, Physician Assistant, Producer, and Co-Founder of MedCram.com

Dr. Rhonda Patrick is a cell biologist with a Ph.D. in biomedical science from the University of Tennessee Health Science Center and St. Jude Children's Research Hospital. Dr. Patrick is the Co-Founder of FoundMyFitness.com. Subscribe to Dr. Patrick's YouTube channel here: https://www.youtube.com/user/FoundMyF...

Roger Seheult, MD is the co-founder and lead professor at https://www.medcram.com He is an Associate Professor at the University of California, Riverside School of Medicine and Assistant Professor at Loma Linda University School of Medicine. Dr. Seheult is Quadruple Board Certified: Internal Medicine, Pulmonary Disease, Critical Care, and Sleep Medicine.

Contents:
This conversation was recorded September 9, 2021 Topics covered: 00:00:00 - Introducing Dr. Rhonda Patrick and Dr. Seheult 00:01:20 - Should young and healthy get vaccinated? 00:06:47 - Risk of myocarditis 00:10:40 - Long-haul COVID 00:19:58 - Is spike protein from vaccines dangerous? 00:35:39 - COVID-19 Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) 01:01:17 - Antibody dependent enhancement? 01:09:16 - Do COVID vaccines damage fertility? 01:14:13 - Will mRNA vaccines alter DNA? 01:22:32 - Are alternatives like ivermectin as effective as the vaccine? 01:42:02 - Do vaccines prevent Delta transmission? 01:56:04 - Will the virus become more deadly due to vaccines? 02:05:07 - T-cell immunity 02:08:34 - Long term side effects / were vaccines rushed?

 

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