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kemetkind

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Africa is a CONTINENT - not a country. You can jump from the highest rooftop yelling africa is one nation that doesn't make it so.

When in history was the entire continent one nation? Is ASIA one nation? Is South America one nation? How many Africans consider their continent one nation?

Fact is the corruption and theft of Africa's resources is not taking place today by european military force - it requires some greedy africans to work with these foreign companies and governments.

You can blame the white man for the poverty till your blue in the face - not going to change anything. Not NOTHING. Not here in America and not in Africa. Never has. Never will. Just wasted breath.

Africans need to hold their own leaders accountable for their actions...I'm sorry - enough is enough. It's not white soldiers over there butchering people. Foreign governments and/or the CIA may have their hand in the mix stirring the pot but how can they get the primary blame?

If I sell you a gun and you use it to go shoot your mother what do you solve by coming back and blaming me?
 

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kemetkind said:
Africa is a CONTINENT - not a country. You can jump from the highest rooftop yelling africa is one nation that doesn't make it so.

When in history was the entire continent one nation? Is ASIA one nation? Is South America one nation? How many Africans consider their continent one nation?

Fact is the corruption and theft of Africa's resources is not taking place today by european military force - it requires some greedy africans to work with these foreign companies and governments.

You can blame the white man for the poverty till your blue in the face - not going to change anything. Not NOTHING. Not here in America and not in Africa. Never has. Never will. Just wasted breath.

Africans need to hold their own leaders accountable for their actions...I'm sorry - enough is enough. It's not white soldiers over there butchering people. Foreign governments and/or the CIA may have their hand in the mix stirring the pot but how can they get the primary blame?

If I sell you a gun and you use it to go shoot your mother what do you solve by coming back and blaming me?
I thank God, and i speak with humility, when I say i have never judged blacks in other parts of the world with such bluntness. You speak with a heart so far removed from the situation, it is no longer funny. And you dare tell me "not to blame whitey"? Have I ever asked you that question? And what will be the fall out if I dare asked it? I am beginning to wonder how different you are from the continental african immigrants whom I argue with day in day out over their criticism of blacks in america and the diaspora. I mean you and they speak with such coldness and self-righteousness its no longer funny.

If you look at the history of Africa, you will find assasinations of heads of states, amalgamations of incompatible tribes, and instigation of tribal wars including weapons supply by the same Europeans. All these were done to exploit mineral resources, and produce modern day slave plantations. This includes Tea and Cocoa grown in many areas in Africa at the expense of their own food. The result is so that someone like you can get on the internet and make such cold recommendation on a populace who are so robbed, they cannot even afford the internet to give you an alternative view point.

The Government of Nigeria at the request of oil companies whom you buy your oil for you SUVs from has deployed military in Niger-Delta to kill hungry and poor people who try to steal oil for the black markets. 11 PEOPLE WERE KILLED/MURDERED/WASTED BY THE MILITARY OVER THE PAST 3 DAYS. None of them drive cars. They were killed over what was in their land. Because some other person (white/black/yellow/latino) needed to fill up the tank in a far away land that does not necessarily value Africans. I hope you had a smooth ride home.

Enough is Enough? No, what you need to understand is we blacks are all the same in our self-righteous view of other blacks. We lack the openmind to see things from other people's view. Save for a few of us, true Pan-Africanism remains a elusive concept.
 

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militant said:
I thank God, and i speak with humility, when I say i have never judged blacks in other parts of the world with such bluntness.
Brother militant I'm not judging anybody. Euros are using under-handed tactics sure but they need some willing AFRICAN participants.

militant said:
You speak with a heart so far removed from the situation, it is no longer funny.
Brother are you judging my heart? Of course I'm removed I don't live in Africa. But the same enemy within is right here too. Nothing about it is funny and I've never made light of it.

militant said:
And you dare tell me "not to blame whitey"? Have I ever asked you that question? And what will be the fall out if I dare asked it?
I didn't ask you not to Blame whitey I'm telling you Blaming whitey hasn't gotten black folks anywhere in the world ANYTHING.

That's why I'm so tired of hearing it.

If you sit down and think about it taking responsibility for the solution is more revolutionary than laying everything down at the foot of the white man and hoping he'll change.

militant said:
I am beginning to wonder how different you are from the continental african immigrants whom I argue with day in day out over their criticism of blacks in america and the diaspora. I mean you and they speak with such coldness and self-righteousness its no longer funny.
How am I self-righteous? I'm not judging Africans - I don't have any different opinion of how we right here in America should address our issues. It may sound cold but somebody needs to say it because all this sentimental romanticism and ego massage while NOT recognizing OUR OWN PEOPLE's role in our destruction is LITERALLY killing us.

militant said:
If you look at the history of Africa, you will find assasinations of heads of states, amalgamations of incompatible tribes, and instigation of tribal wars including weapons supply by the same Europeans. All these were done to exploit mineral resources, and produce modern day slave plantations. This includes Tea and Cocoa grown in many areas in Africa at the expense of their own food. The result is so that someone like you can get on the internet and make such cold recommendation on a populace who are so robbed, they cannot even afford the internet to give you an alternative view point.

The Government of Nigeria at the request of oil companies whom you buy your oil for you SUVs from has deployed military in Niger-Delta to kill hungry and poor people who try to steal oil for the black markets. 11 PEOPLE WERE KILLED/MURDERED/WASTED BY THE MILITARY OVER THE PAST 3 DAYS. None of them drive cars. They were killed over what was in their land. Because some other person (white/black/yellow/latino) needed to fill up the tank in a far away land that does not necessarily value Africans. I hope you had a smooth ride home.
I am not a white liberal so I'm impervious to guilt trips. I am on the internet by the grace of god who provided (my ancestors before and) me the opportunity, talent and motivation to work hard and make a way. Didn't nobody give me nothing and I've had to be twice as good as the white, indian or chinese I'm competing with just to maintain....so nah - I'm not about to feel like my lifestyle causes these black-skinned nigerian rulers to kill their own people over money. The answer is not for me to be as down-trodden as them to relieve my guilt.

I don't deny Euros have had devilish intent inside of Africa for a long, long time, as they have in most the world. But there is a reason they don't get fantastic results anymore with those tactics in china, or india...they don't have too many willing chinese ready to sell out, and if one did, you wouldn't have chinese apologists wringing their hands blaming white folks instead DEALING WITH their enemy within.

militant said:
Enough is Enough? No, what you need to understand is we blacks are all the same in our self-righteous view of other blacks. We lack the openmind to see things from other people's view. Save for a few of us, true Pan-Africanism remains a elusive concept.
Na - I see the pan-africanist point of view. It's defined differently by different people. When it's defined to include DEALING WITH your enemy, no matter WHAT his/her skin tone or hair texture might be because there is a specific goal - unification of african groups individually, then collectively, I can respect it and get motivated to work towards it.

This romantic, "All dark-skinned, kinky-haired people in the world are one country - so let's just love each other unconditionally" - i'm not feelin that.

It's fairy tale.

Internal enemies are allowed to skate on the basis of their biology alone. Real ethnic groups that really do have a shared culture WILL exist whether we get romantic about it or not.

Our families are in a jungle. We engage in battle with the leopards so we keep guard over our gate each night. We know the leopards are our enemy - their spots never change.

If one night you, one of our family, make a deal with the leopards and decide to go open the gate.... a romantic pan-africanism doesn't let me take your life same as I do the leopards. It just relegates me to whining and complaining that the leopards got in and wreaked havoc on the family. Let's me make excuses for you while lamenting that the Leopard, with the same spots, still killing my family. So, soon as I get the gate back closed another in my family, seeing the benefits you got, makes another deal to open it up and the cycle continues.
 

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Fact is the corruption and theft of Africa's resources is not taking place today by european military force - it requires some greedy africans to work with these foreign companies and governments.


Africans need to hold their own leaders accountable for their actions...I'm sorry - enough is enough. It's not white soldiers over there butchering people. Foreign governments and/or the CIA may have their hand in the mix stirring the pot but how can they get the primary blame?

If I sell you a gun and you use it to go shoot your mother what do you solve by coming back and blaming me?[/quote]
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I'm going to respond to this because I believe this may have been in response to my post. The first thing I want to say is, I'm getting so sick of people making and argument about how Africans should take responsibility for what's going on in Africa and how we sold each other into slavery. It never fails everytime we start to talk about our situation as African people in the world some group of negroes will come out of their mouth with "Let's not blame the white man speech". Look when we speak about what has happened in history and what is continually going on in the lives of Africans in this world is not in anyway an attempt to lay blame on anyone else our diffuse responsibility from ourselves. In order for us to solve the problems that exist we have to not only deal with it internally, we must also deal with it from and external perspective. So if you think we are going to even begin to solve our problems just by looking at our problems one sided you are not being very realistic. Because African people have and has had a very real enemy who has manipulated and exploited African people. They have studied us and our ways and they have developed strategies to take advantage of our weaknesses and our strengths. So yes we have corrupt leaders who are greedy and take advantage of their people. But who put these people in charge, what university were these leaders educated in? Who supports these leaders and supply them with the weapons that they use to terrorize their people? Most importantly who has benefitted from the fact that we have these types of leaders not only in Africa but also here in this country? Who is cashing in from the fact that Africans have such weak leadership? What is going on here you have puppet leaders who are brought and paid for by western nations. This is another old trick done by the imperalist to give the illusion of power. While the european nations own and control all of the resources they give some bourgeious class of Africans some political clout with a fancy title. They continue to rob the land of all of it's resources and when things go bad they are in the clear, because look who is running the country it's not us. You see you have and African man in charge. This game serves two purposes it not only clears the real puppeteer from his part in all of the destruction. The uninformed european also gets a boast to his or her ego because they can say you see I told you we were right. They can't run their own country. Look at them it's not us who are doing the killing they are killing themselves. We told you it was just in their nature. Know Africans all over the world especially in america this situation will only make us dig a deeper hole in the shame and guilt we have about Africa. It will only play into our feeling of inferiority that much more. That's way we cannot just deal with it as if it's just and issue of Africans being evil are corrupt because it will only lead us to being self defeative and resentful towards one another and that's what's going on right know. I'm not saying we should not forget our role in this as a people, because we definitely play a supporting role in our own destruction. But in order for us to break the cycle we have to look at the root cause of these problems from every angle and when you do that it seems the one constant that keeps coming up is our relationship with whites. That's just a fact it is not about blaming anyone but everywhere you go on this earth the same scenario is playing itself out. So how are we going to deal with our problems. We have got to talk about how we have related to whites because you have never seen a small group of Africans go anywhere of this earth and completely destroy a people and their culture. No where in history have a small group of Africans gone into another country and butchered and slaughtered a people to conquer and plunder their resources. But yet this happened to us time and time again by a small group of europeans.

Africa is a CONTINENT - not a country. You can jump from the highest rooftop yelling africa is one nation that doesn't make it so.

When in history was the entire continent one nation? Is ASIA one nation? Is South America one nation? How many Africans consider their continent one nation?


You see this statement right here is a prime example of how we as Africans have been severely miseducated. Like I said before a peoples education should be based on solving their problems. So what if Asians don't see themselves as one nation, so what if europeans don't see themselves as one nation. That why of thinking may work for them because based on their intentionality are what they want to accomplish as a people that may work for them. You see they can look at their history and decide that this why of thinking and relating themselves to one another may have been successful for them. But the African must look at his history as a people and see if that why of thinking works for his people and if it has not work then we must look at another way of thinking to accomplish our goals and what we want as a people. That's way you cannot look at another peoples way of thinking and stupidly believe what they think represents universality. You have got to decide what works for you based on your history and your intentionality.
So who says Africa is not one nation where is that written in stone. What if Africans look at their history and see the mistakes we have made and come to a conclusion that part of the problem is that we have not as a people come together under a collective flag. The result of us not doing this has resulted in what we see today. Know if we come to this conclusion it only makes sense that we change how we see ourselves right. We can't and should not base this decision on what the asians are doing. Just something to think about you know. We have to remember that man's mind is mobile you don't have to stay stuck in one mode with one idea on how to do things.


You can blame the white man for the poverty till your blue in the face - not going to change anything. Not NOTHING. Not here in America and not in Africa. Never has. Never will. Just wasted breath.

You see this is the voice of an African who has been completely defeated. He does not think anything will change because he believes deep down inside that we as Africans don't have want it takes to change the situation. He believes that the european will always rule over us because we lack the technical savvy to compete with him. He sounds just like the Israelites who got spooked when Moses sent them into Jerusalem. He truly does not believe that we when can win. So to keep his damage ego intact he will continue to lash out at the African because he is afraid to deal with our real enemy. So to compensate his fear which he has to deny to keep what little sanity he has. He must completely remove the white man from the role he has played in this destruction because in reality he does not want to confront this man. You see this is what's going on in Africa and right here in america with the black man he is afraid to confront white men so what does he do he vents his frustration out on those close to him and those who are most vunerable to his attack. That's what this black on black violence is all about we have been punked by white men he has completely emasculated us as a group of men. So the only way we can feel like we are real men is by proving how tough we are and how bad we are as men that's what's going with this thug ****. We are compensating are fear of confronting our real enemy by destroying each other and our nation. I'm sorry if I offended you brother it is not personel. I was just making a point about how we have been made to think and see ourselves in this world.
 

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Brother most of your post was either a reiteration of my view or a misunderstanding of it.


youngblackceo said:


I'm going to respond to this because I believe this may have been in response to my post. The first thing I want to say is, I'm getting so sick of people making and argument about how Africans should take responsibility for what's going on in Africa and how we sold each other into slavery. It never fails everytime we start to talk about our situation as African people in the world some group of negroes will come out of their mouth with "Let's not blame the white man speech".....
I'm not going to battle with you. I'm not here for that. I've seen that approach over and over on this board - someone doesn't agree with a brother so he comes out calling names like mis-educated, or negroes, or claiming they have slave mentality, or even "stupid". Let's break down the merits of the arguments instead of trying to break down each other.

youngblackceo said:

Look when we speak about what has happened in history and what is continually going on in the lives of Africans in this world is not in anyway an attempt to lay blame on anyone else our diffuse responsibility from ourselves. In order for us to solve the problems that exist we have to not only deal with it internally, we must also deal with it from and external perspective.
This is why I made the metaphor with the leopards - his spots don't change. We know they're the enemy and we know they're job is to divide and destroy us. That's why it's wasted energy to sit around on topic after topic, issue after issue, all your focus is on talking about how bad that leopard is.

THAT is the DEFEATED mindset!

THAT is the UNREALISTIC mindset. Can you not see that?

How does pointing out over and over what we already know SOLVE anything? We been whining about the leopard since the 60s instead of training up more folks who WILL hunt leopards and WHO WILL hunt you too if you are helping leopards destroy us.

kemetkind said:
Africa is a CONTINENT - not a country. You can jump from the highest rooftop yelling africa is one nation that doesn't make it so.

When in history was the entire continent one nation? Is ASIA one nation? Is South America one nation? How many Africans consider their continent one nation?


youngblackceo said:


You see this statement right here is a prime example of how we as Africans have been severely miseducated. Like I said before a peoples education should be based on solving their problems. So what if Asians don't see themselves as one nation, so what if europeans don't see themselves as one nation. That why of thinking may work for them because based on their intentionality are what they want to accomplish as a people that may work for them. You see they can look at their history and decide that this why of thinking and relating themselves to one another may have been successful for them. But the African must look at his history as a people and see if that why of thinking works for his people and if it has not work then we must look at another way of thinking to accomplish our goals and what we want as a people. That's way you cannot look at another peoples way of thinking and stupidly believe what they think represents universality. You have got to decide what works for you based on your history and your intentionality.
So who says Africa is not one nation where is that written in stone. What if Africans look at their history and see the mistakes we have made and come to a conclusion that part of the problem is that we have not as a people come together under a collective flag. The result of us not doing this has resulted in what we see today. Know if we come to this conclusion it only makes sense that we change how we see ourselves right. We can't and should not base this decision on what the asians are doing. Just something to think about you know. We have to remember that man's mind is mobile you don't have to stay stuck in one mode with one idea on how to do things.
Guess what I agree with your premises almost 100% but I disagree with your conclusions.

You say the African shouldn't base his actions solely based on what other groups have done - I agree with that. But just like you say the whites have studied us WE have to study what others have done that is working against euro aggression. Did Japan decide they needed to go unite with china and korea in order to deal with their enemy? Who does the white man FEAR the most today as a threat - All asian looking people or the Chinese Nation? It's about realistically evaluating the landscape and evaluating what works - not copying.

Panafricanist who think all africans can be jumbled under one flag are DOING THE SAME THING EUROS did - that is trying to force a group of africans together for their own purposes. Even though their purposes are positive It's not going to happen man...and moreover it doesn't NEED to happen.

There needs to be unity ACROSS these groups but that won't occur until there is unity WITHIN them first.

It's FLAT OUT PIPE DREAM to expect all 1.8 billion of us to wake up one day and say hey - we all have kinky hair, we all battling the euros - let's be one country.

Look I'm ALL FOR IT if it were realistic. It's a great start to a solution if it were realistic. But you have to deal with the world the way it is not the way we want it to be.

You say we shouldn't be stuck in one mind set...I agree with that 100%. But my conclusion is the pro-black/pan-africanist set has DONE exactly that...still using the ideology from 50 years ago when obviously it has proven ineffective.

The change I'm suggesting is that we quit trying to claim everybody based on biology. Base it on something else so you can safely DESTROY someone who has your same biology because if they are PROVEN TO BE coordinating with the enemy to DESTROY you.

Quit trying to force folks together who don't want to be together. Let them exist as cohesive groups first, build their own unity, then let them interface with other african nations. If Africa was divided improperly by europeans Africans should redo the map with their own nation building efforts.

Quit making excuses for those among us that are so lost that they're killing our own children and destroying our own women.

Quit building the white man up into some mythical all conquering figure and be willing to deal with him the same way you'll deal with your brother who you disagree with.

Quit whining and start proposing solutions and initiating action.

youngblackceo said:

That's what this black on black violence is all about we have been punked by white men he has completely emasculated us as a group of men. So the only way we can feel like we are real men is by proving how tough we are and how bad we are as men that's what's going with this thug ****. We are compensating are fear of confronting our real enemy by destroying each other and our nation. I'm sorry if I offended you brother it is not personel. I was just making a point about how we have been made to think and see ourselves in this world.
I agree with that brother young. Some of us have been punked by white men...some of us speak frankly to white men daily. Some of us would be willing to sacrifice this American dream - and work with other like-minded brothers towards real nation-building...and all that it entails.

But some of us will come out guns blaring against a brother but turn into mouses against their true enemy. Some of us got nothing to say when it's time to actually DO something other than talk. Sad thing is I see a lot of those include the so called pro-black among us who have whipped themselves into a stand-still trance making the all-powerful white man the cause AND SOLUTION of every problem. They might not have thug images but they have just as much a thug / gang mentality cause they come out rhetorical guns blazing against any brother who would disagree with them...no matter how slight the differences really are.

Don't worry brother - you didnt offend me and I know it's not personal. But africans on the continent and right here need new strats cause the old ones aren't getting it done.
 
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