Black Astrology : Big Bang, or Creation. How did we get here?

Gorilla

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assuming that time and the universe are infinite does that rule out any creation? no beginning, no ending, no creation, no creator?
This is one of the questions I've asked people who believe in creationism and never really got an answer to.

In the opposite situation (assuming the Universe hasn't always existed in some cyclic form etc), I always wondered how they accounted for an infinitely complex being occurring by the very thing they turn their nose up at the mere possibility of -- chance.
 

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Wow. Where do I even begin?

The Big Bang is just another miraculous and unscientific creation story itself.

From a scientific perspective, it needs magic to even begin, much less maintain it's narrative.

It even has sacrosanct heroes and a god - a mathematician!
How so?

It is also based upon the firm BELIEF (as opposed to the actual experience) that the universe is expanding.
So, we're not actually experiencing Hubble's observation that pretty much shattered the idea of a static Universe? Einstein's general relativity framework concluded that the Universe must either be expanding or contracting. Unfortunately, he introduced an error into his own work by adding a cosmological factor because he mistakenly viewed his conclusion as impossible. It's kind of funny how things sort of seemed to turn full circle which was hinted at by a previous post in this thread.

The problem with the big bang is that AS a cosmology it is not a coherent natural philosophy, nor does it provide insight into EVERY discipline, including life itself and the human condition. Modern specialized science is a hostile environment to accurate cosmologies synonymous with natural philosophy.
Is this the expectation of what Cosmology should be capable of doing (Anyone is free to chime in on this question. I'm genuinely curious about this way of thinking)?

Einstein misled the world pf physics with his theory of relativity because electromagnetic energy is stored in the orbital substructure of subatomic particles and manifests as their mass. Where then does this leave "gravity?"
It leaves it to be expressed in Quantum Field Theory, which I believe already describes the other three fundamental forces pretty well. The fact that general relativity couldn't hold up well at describing all things at all scales and across all four forces doesn't mean physics hasn't progressed since then.

All things considered, general relativity does a pretty good job for the most part. We still use it to understand gravitational interactions between bodies and their relative paths/positions and people do it pretty well.
 

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How so?

So, we're not actually experiencing Hubble's observation that pretty much shattered the idea of a static Universe? Einstein's general relativity framework concluded that the Universe must either be expanding or contracting. Unfortunately, he introduced an error into his own work by adding a cosmological factor because he mistakenly viewed his conclusion as impossible. It's kind of funny how things sort of seemed to turn full circle which was hinted at by a previous post in this thread.

Is this the expectation of what Cosmology should be capable of doing (Anyone is free to chime in on this question. I'm genuinely curious about this way of thinking)?

It leaves it to be expressed in Quantum Field Theory, which I believe already describes the other three fundamental forces pretty well. The fact that general relativity couldn't hold up well at describing all things at all scales and across all four forces doesn't mean physics hasn't progressed since then.

All things considered, general relativity does a pretty good job for the most part. We still use it to understand gravitational interactions between bodies and their relative paths/positions and people do it pretty well.
Thank you for the discussion. Allow me to respond tomorrow or thereabouts with an answer to your queries.

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