Black People : African Americans vs. Africans, vs. Caribbean: Do We Have a Problem?

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BLACK AMERICANS VS AFRICANS VS CARIBBEAN ISLANDERS PART 1


Black Americans VS Africans Vs Caribbean Islanders Part 1.
The black Americans, Africans, and African Caribbean islanders are marked with an interruption of continuity. There is a huge gap between the three that has caused an even greater divide of separateness that further contributes to the dysfunctional make-up of the black race as a whole. This gap has widened over the years and has caused deep animosity between many Blacks in North America, Africans, and African Caribbean Islanders.


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This gap has prevented blacks in America from participating in the current economic boom in Africa and it has shut many African immigrants out of opportunities for economic advancement here in the United States. The problem stems from deep misconceptions that are primarily fueled by the U.S. media. Astonishingly, many Black Americans believe that Africans are backward to the American culture and primitive. This is because the media displays them in movies as barbaric, uncivilized and poor. Many Black Americans make crude jokes about Africans or do not acknowledge the great contribution Africa has made to the world. On the other hand… Many Africans buy into the erroneous notion that Blacks in America are lazy and violent. Africans do not appreciate the great sacrifice that Black American’s have made, through advocating for their civil rights, to lay the foundation for Africans to be able to come to the United States and live in a country where both blacks and whites seemingly have equal rights, at least in theory if not always in practice. To understand the deep division that exists between Black Caribbean’s, Black Americans and Africans, This is the first in a two-part post that will examine the background of the three groups.


North America
Black Americans or African Americans

Black Americans have preconceived notions about Africans. The cultural diversity between the two is one that we as Americans have yet to embrace and understand. We know that we are Africans but unconsciously separate ourselves from Africa because we are so very different. Black people, of all shades and of all cultures, have been described and analyzed in a certain way. The Western influence in African cultures has created ‘black culture’ and its self-description. Black Americans often say they are not like the other Americans because they were forced to come to America while all others came voluntarily in search of a better life. Africans who migrated to America (such as Obama’s father) came under very different circumstances and, therefore, relate to the USA (and the chances it offers) in a different way.

Black Americans live in a country, despite racial oppression, where socio-economic upward mobility can be achieved if we united and supported our own businesses and purchased our own land etc., but many Black Americans are blind to this. With the exception of the conscious, many are blinded by the need to live the fast life: money, sex, and a leisure lifestyle. Black Americans have a “This isn’t my issue, so it’s not my problem”mentality and, therefore, are also separated by their own race. We are divided within our own race shunning other blacks because they do not meet our suggested criteria of being black enough. Blacks in America divide race based on diversity, sexual orientation, gender, hair color, religion, financial status etc. It’s a harsh truth that even within the conscious community where we are supposed to have evolved and awakened to unity, we make excuses to deem those we aren’t comfortable with as outcasts of diversity even though they share the same colored skin. Is there any wonder why we aren’t as openly accepting to Africans and African Caribbean Americans? We have yet to accept that black is black and all black lives matter.


Map of Africa
I reached out to a friend of mines and posed to her: “What are your experiences with Africans and African Caribbean’s?”

Her reply:

I’m a Black American, and I’ve been treated disrespectfully by Africans and those of Caribbean descent. Although most of my experiences have been negative with Blacks from other countries, I don’t believe that all Black immigrants behave in such a nasty manner. The stereotypes that some Black immigrants have towards black americans is just as bad as any White racist. It’s as if we’re not individuals, but a monolithic group who look and act alike. I’m starting to think that many African/Caribbean immigrants believe that Blacks living in america aren’t capable of being successful, yet many of my family members are educated and are married to equally educated black americans. If it wasn’t for black Americans risking their lives for equality, many Black immigrants wouldn’t have the opportunities or a Black President. I’ve been called an “Akata” by more than one African, they didn’t know I knew the meaning of the word. I’ve been told by people from the Caribbean that black Americans are lazy and dumb. I’m a Black American, so, therefore, am I to think that” we’re all lazy and dumb?” That’s the disrespect I was talking about. However, I don’t think that the way these people behaved is indicative of the behavior of most African and Caribbean immigrants. Blacks in america do NOT think they are owed something….that is what your white (French/British) oppressors have taught you to believe about Black americans (divide and conquer).

First of all, let us set a few things straight: In the U.S., the majority of people who are taking those “handouts” from the Government (food stamps, housing assistance, etc.) are predominantly HISPANICS, not black americans. There are more and more black americans enrolling in college, most of them being black women. Non-American blacks tend to feed into the stereotype that all black people are lazy, uneducated and ignorant. Where I am originally from (Detroit…which is 70% African-American), most of the families there are very hard-working. This was even true during the Civil Rights movement in the 60’s and 70’s (there were not a lot of educated black americans during this time). My grandfather worked so hard at the auto factory that he gave himself a heart attack. My mother put herself through college (paid out of pocket), eventually earning a Master’s degree in Nursing. Also, from my understanding, the amount of non-American blacks, that come to our country often come with little to no education with absolutely nothing. Statistics show that they come to our homeland, profit from our education system, then take whatever money they earn on our turf and send it back to their families in whatever country they originally came from. By the way, those “government assistant” programs they speak so poorly of, is what helped them get in our country in the first place, and possibly assisted them in earning an education in America (i.e., Affirmative Action, FAFSA, etc.). They profit from our country (which was mostly built off the backs of Black americans), and then turn around and spit in the faces of the people who paved the way for them. They need to rethink their comments and save their stereotypes. *pointing a finger in the location of your original homeland* If you cannot give respect where it is due, then stay quiet or go back to your original birthplace.

The realistic and undeniable lack of unity that exists between culturally diverse blacks is painfully obvious. Uncertainty, lack of knowledge and appreciation for difference is the governing factor that seems to increase the divide. The pain between the three is like a bad breakup fueled by a painful past, media brainwashing and accusations of one against the other lack’s the intimacy and commitment of ancestors long gone.


 

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BLACK AMERICANS VS AFRICANS VS CARIBBEAN ISLANDERS PART 1


Black Americans VS Africans Vs Caribbean Islanders Part 1.
The black Americans, Africans, and African Caribbean islanders are marked with an interruption of continuity. There is a huge gap between the three that has caused an even greater divide of separateness that further contributes to the dysfunctional make-up of the black race as a whole. This gap has widened over the years and has caused deep animosity between many Blacks in North America, Africans, and African Caribbean Islanders.


Caribbean Map
This gap has prevented blacks in America from participating in the current economic boom in Africa and it has shut many African immigrants out of opportunities for economic advancement here in the United States. The problem stems from deep misconceptions that are primarily fueled by the U.S. media. Astonishingly, many Black Americans believe that Africans are backward to the American culture and primitive. This is because the media displays them in movies as barbaric, uncivilized and poor. Many Black Americans make crude jokes about Africans or do not acknowledge the great contribution Africa has made to the world. On the other hand… Many Africans buy into the erroneous notion that Blacks in America are lazy and violent. Africans do not appreciate the great sacrifice that Black American’s have made, through advocating for their civil rights, to lay the foundation for Africans to be able to come to the United States and live in a country where both blacks and whites seemingly have equal rights, at least in theory if not always in practice. To understand the deep division that exists between Black Caribbean’s, Black Americans and Africans, This is the first in a two-part post that will examine the background of the three groups.


North America
Black Americans or African Americans

Black Americans have preconceived notions about Africans. The cultural diversity between the two is one that we as Americans have yet to embrace and understand. We know that we are Africans but unconsciously separate ourselves from Africa because we are so very different. Black people, of all shades and of all cultures, have been described and analyzed in a certain way. The Western influence in African cultures has created ‘black culture’ and its self-description. Black Americans often say they are not like the other Americans because they were forced to come to America while all others came voluntarily in search of a better life. Africans who migrated to America (such as Obama’s father) came under very different circumstances and, therefore, relate to the USA (and the chances it offers) in a different way.

Black Americans live in a country, despite racial oppression, where socio-economic upward mobility can be achieved if we united and supported our own businesses and purchased our own land etc., but many Black Americans are blind to this. With the exception of the conscious, many are blinded by the need to live the fast life: money, sex, and a leisure lifestyle. Black Americans have a “This isn’t my issue, so it’s not my problem”mentality and, therefore, are also separated by their own race. We are divided within our own race shunning other blacks because they do not meet our suggested criteria of being black enough. Blacks in America divide race based on diversity, sexual orientation, gender, hair color, religion, financial status etc. It’s a harsh truth that even within the conscious community where we are supposed to have evolved and awakened to unity, we make excuses to deem those we aren’t comfortable with as outcasts of diversity even though they share the same colored skin. Is there any wonder why we aren’t as openly accepting to Africans and African Caribbean Americans? We have yet to accept that black is black and all black lives matter.


Map of Africa
I reached out to a friend of mines and posed to her: “What are your experiences with Africans and African Caribbean’s?”

Her reply:

I’m a Black American, and I’ve been treated disrespectfully by Africans and those of Caribbean descent. Although most of my experiences have been negative with Blacks from other countries, I don’t believe that all Black immigrants behave in such a nasty manner. The stereotypes that some Black immigrants have towards black americans is just as bad as any White racist. It’s as if we’re not individuals, but a monolithic group who look and act alike. I’m starting to think that many African/Caribbean immigrants believe that Blacks living in america aren’t capable of being successful, yet many of my family members are educated and are married to equally educated black americans. If it wasn’t for black Americans risking their lives for equality, many Black immigrants wouldn’t have the opportunities or a Black President. I’ve been called an “Akata” by more than one African, they didn’t know I knew the meaning of the word. I’ve been told by people from the Caribbean that black Americans are lazy and dumb. I’m a Black American, so, therefore, am I to think that” we’re all lazy and dumb?” That’s the disrespect I was talking about. However, I don’t think that the way these people behaved is indicative of the behavior of most African and Caribbean immigrants. Blacks in america do NOT think they are owed something….that is what your white (French/British) oppressors have taught you to believe about Black americans (divide and conquer).

First of all, let us set a few things straight: In the U.S., the majority of people who are taking those “handouts” from the Government (food stamps, housing assistance, etc.) are predominantly HISPANICS, not black americans. There are more and more black americans enrolling in college, most of them being black women. Non-American blacks tend to feed into the stereotype that all black people are lazy, uneducated and ignorant. Where I am originally from (Detroit…which is 70% African-American), most of the families there are very hard-working. This was even true during the Civil Rights movement in the 60’s and 70’s (there were not a lot of educated black americans during this time). My grandfather worked so hard at the auto factory that he gave himself a heart attack. My mother put herself through college (paid out of pocket), eventually earning a Master’s degree in Nursing. Also, from my understanding, the amount of non-American blacks, that come to our country often come with little to no education with absolutely nothing. Statistics show that they come to our homeland, profit from our education system, then take whatever money they earn on our turf and send it back to their families in whatever country they originally came from. By the way, those “government assistant” programs they speak so poorly of, is what helped them get in our country in the first place, and possibly assisted them in earning an education in America (i.e., Affirmative Action, FAFSA, etc.). They profit from our country (which was mostly built off the backs of Black americans), and then turn around and spit in the faces of the people who paved the way for them. They need to rethink their comments and save their stereotypes. *pointing a finger in the location of your original homeland* If you cannot give respect where it is due, then stay quiet or go back to your original birthplace.

The realistic and undeniable lack of unity that exists between culturally diverse blacks is painfully obvious. Uncertainty, lack of knowledge and appreciation for difference is the governing factor that seems to increase the divide. The pain between the three is like a bad breakup fueled by a painful past, media brainwashing and accusations of one against the other lack’s the intimacy and commitment of ancestors long gone.


WOW!!! Serious read Fireman.

Having been to a number of States and interacting with members of different races and cultures here is my opinion.

1. All races possess animosity toward other races and even their own cultures.

2. Born and raised Black Americans as much as we as a race have a proven track record of being the most abused race in America are still here, why? Because America is all we know.

3. Born and raised Black Africans who immigrate to America are usually the sons and daughters of wealthy Black Africans and are already enrolled in prestigious institutes of higher learning. Born and raised indigent Black Africans like any other culture immigrate to America to seek a better life.

4. Born and raised Black Haitians for the most part can immigrate to America however a large number of Haitians try to get into America by any means necessary to escape what they call horrid conditions and other factors that are not conducive to their survival. They are not afforded the same status and recognition because unlike the Cuban immigrants Haiti is not a communist country like Cuba.

5. Born and raised Black Caribbeans immigrate to America to expand the possibility of acquiring a career other then the tourist industry that's pretty much the main area boosting their economy.

6. Like other cultures in different countries Black Americans, Black Africans, Black Haitians and Black Caribbeans exhibit some manner of culture animosity and jealousy towards each other. I see this type of negative interaction in South Florida and the Cubans who feel that they are actually White are the worst. The Jews abuse the Black Haitian and Caribbean home health care aids who take public transportation to the the Jews residences then drive the Jews cars to get them around to their doctors appointments or shopping while watching Born and raised Black Americans "For the most part fully retired with excellent pensions" driving around in their own cars and give them a hate stare far worst than the White racist hate stare.

7. Castilians, Latino, Chicano and Hispanics suffer the very same culture destroying animosity and jealousy as we Blacks.

8. The Hindi Race deride each other as well. Actually India and Pakistan would bomb each other with their nuclear weapons if they could.

9. Asians despise each other as well, China hates Japan. North Korea seeks to wipe the entire existence of every South Korean citizen from the Korean Peninsula. The Thia's hate the Cambodians who despise the Vietnamese who have no particular use for the Philipino's.

10. Europe has it's cultural clashes too. The Russians hate everybody in the European Union. The European Union especially our cowardly NATO allies are so nervous about a unilateral Russian invasion that they would build their own ballistic missile defense system if they had the military budget to do so. The British look down on The Scottish and the Irish, the French spit on the Creeks, the Italians hate the Norwegions who hate the Danes who live to ethnically cleanse the Swiss and so on.

Hoped this helped.
 
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you all can leave the most of the Caribbean out of this discussion thank you. Haiti is another story, and not part of latin caribbean. Most of the islands have their own functioning governments and yes we do immigrate to the US. At least here in the DR our perception of black americans is mainly due to those that come here on vacation. we don't understand why they click together and seem to move as a herd. They are also very loud and disrespectful of the people living here. referred to as the jetblue crowd.


And Destee needs to change my flag!

 

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you all can leave the most of the Caribbean out of this discussion thank you. Haiti is another story, and not part of latin caribbean. Most of the islands have their own functioning governments and yes we do immigrate to the US. At least here in the DR our perception of black americans is mainly due to those that come here on vacation. we don't understand why they click together and seem to move as a herd. They are also very loud and disrespectful of the people living here. referred to as the jetblue crowd.


And Destee needs to change my flag!

bientempo I always believed you and I maintained a mutual respect for each other and I hope my comment or any one or more particular things in no way offended you. If so please accept my wholehearted apology. Feel free to PM me and I will without a doubt remove it or them in a timely manner. Always a friend. SOA.
 

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10. Europe has it's cultural clashes too. The Russians hate everybody in the European Union. The European Union especially our cowardly NATO allies are so nervous about a unilateral Russian invasion that they would build their own ballistic missile defense system if they had the military budget to do so. The British look down on The Scottish and the Irish, the French spit on the Creeks, the Italians hate the Norwegions who hate the Danes who live to ethnically cleanse the Swiss and so on.

Hoped this helped.
Sure you're right. And it seems like every European makes fun of the Poles. How many Polish jokes have I heard them tell. And the Germans tell the most Polish jokes.
 

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Sure you're right. And it seems like every European makes fun of the Poles. How many Polish jokes have I heard them tell. And the Germans tell the most Polish jokes.
Everybody on Earth ranks on the Poles. The Germans traditional hate for the Poles is rooted in history when the Nazis were preparing to invade Poland during WWII. Military historians claim that the Gestapo propaganda machine led by none other than Reich Minister Paul Joseph Goebbels a most vile, disgusting and contemptible individual who actually stated that the Poles were more detestable then the Jews. His vitriol was so furious that any and everybody in Europe jumped on the bandwagon to excoriate Polish citizens to deflect the attention of the murderous Nazi Party from themselves. This unilateral derision has labeled them as the center of public ridicule to this day. I know I have plenty of company when I say this. The Polish are the only culture besides the American Indian that even the most racist Whites will laugh "with" Blacks who ridicule the Polish.

https://www.lysator.liu.se/jokes/polish.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Polish_sentiment

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_joke

 

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