Actually Queenie for me it's less about debate than an exploration of the range/s of a given thought thrown out for discussion. It gives me a chance for an interogation of my own thoughts and feelings as well hopefully gaining insight into other realms I perhaps would have never found otherwise if not for another's thoughts for me to explore on the matter and vice versa. Debate is rarely on my radar screen no matter how I come across in my generally rather stilted abbreviated language skills, zero sum games don't really do much for me. I much prefer surprises and epiphanies to a paint by number canvas kit with it's lines defined and truncated end.No need to apologize, Bro. ogoun. No one should run away from a "healthy" debate but when the discussion breaks down into responses that subject readers to the "BS" flag and what appears as personal attacks, it just seems that civil conversation has come to an end--at least on the topic. However, feel free to continue the dialogue and when you're ready, please join others of us in the next thread. Good luck!