I have been talking in the new shout box, wondering if only I can see it, since no one else said anything. I figured folk are quiet, tired, not wanting to be bothered right now ... so I logged out to go to bed only to find that there is a message saying ... you do not have permission to be here or something along those lines ... so ... I have more work to do but I cannot do it now / tonight. It will have to wait until tomorrow. I really thought I had got our chat back but such is not the case. It's coming though, there is evidence on the table. Thanks again Family for your patience with me. Goodnight ...