Black People : The New Caucasian Race

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  1. Clyde C Coger Jr

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    Well, look, just stop doing it willa, stop being sinister by pushing this conspiracy theory on Bernie, if you are going to give Trump a pass.

    In fact, these words below, in my view, describe Trump to a tee, but of course you would like to see him become President, right?


    "... but when a white man is fanning the flames against white people in a charisma of ways to start a war, or to infuse hate into a race to isolate young Black minds so they will not be able to function globally having isolated them with a monochromatic view ..."


    It's Trump that has the backing of the KKK, not Bernie. And everyone is calling Trump the demagogue, while Bernie enjoys less support from the Black community than Trump, and far less than Hillary.

    So, I must reject out of hand this argument you advance against Bernie, the democratic socialist, as pure conjecture based on hyperbole.

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    What have I got against Bernie? ...nothing, but Socialism. He's the one who told us he is a Socialist -- boldly. I think he is a victim of believing the "veiled" fluff rhetoric he's been reading about it or learning from professors even in his college years. There is enough evidence of failed governments that was suffered by the people so that it is no longer without evidence on what the outcome will be. Clyde I respect your feelings on this topic. But for everyone else I wish to make some points.

    Cuba started out as a "Socialist" government with Castro. See where it has brought the people? Since President Obama has visited Cuba, the Castro brothers have said they don't want any gifts from the "Empire." Did you know that America is an "Empire" according to them (a government by a single ruler with many territories/states). So Emperor Obama was not that accepted. The reason the Castros and other dictators fear Democracy is because of its potential wealth. Its you and your personal spending on smooth lookin' cloths, the hot cars, your ability to see the doctor of your choice and go to private schools or at least have a vote in who heads up your local superintendents. In other words you have far too much freedom and cannot be controlled. Because, Socialist governments can be dismissed, voted out.
    If I didn't have a penny I could dine very well hanging out at Burger King or outside a restaurant. I would find food at the back of the kitchen or from someone who would have enough money to bring me out food. Socialism ends up where no one has enough money and businesses dwindle or are nationalized in the transfer from Socialism to Communism = Cuba.

    Lenin said "I am not a Communist", coining the term "I am a Democratic Socialist." Starvation and death ensued.

    Socialism enacts laws to mandate behavior and control money. So now to speak of the very real danger of our fuzzy and warm little Socialist Bernie Sanders. (I just love the way grandpa goes after Hillary who I see as Temperamental, self serving, and knows how to wield power against smaller classed people to achieve her way. And have we already been disappointed? Benghazi?) Sanders hates wealth, (Socialist) hates corporations where we get in on cheaper prices because of them, and they hire boat loads of people even still in their USA based businesses. Socialism is going to tax tax. And the worst of the worst is the brain washing that is going to enlarge even more, because they will tell you on TV how much better they know how to do things and make choices for you than you do. I already know the education department is loaded to feed our kids teaspoons of Marxist rhetoric, just like Kruschev (sp.) promised Communism would do. If anyone knows how Socialism/Communism works by teaspoons of rhetoric given to deceive the people, he did.

    Hitler raised a National Socialist Germany maintained by fascist oppression. Other Socialist nations do not have a quality of life because Socialist governments cannot "grow" business, like Sweden because the people are taxed 70% of their paycheck. The only way to create jobs is through a free market capitalism. Remember Bernie hates wealth from business or for business. He will tax it out of this world. Goodbye many American businesses and their jobs going to other countries. The free market protects people from the monopoly of government and super wealth. Did I mention that Bernie blames climate change as being directly related to Terrorism? He doesn't like talking about national security. Why?

    So why not vote for a Republican? Tradition? Really? My vote for the best sanity of all existing candidates would be for the intelligent application of government, Ted Cruz. If nothing I have said makes a difference, fine. Thanks for the opportunity. This is what I love about these forums, the free market place of many concepts and ideas. :heart:
     
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    Thank you for that willa, the feeling is mutual.

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    Excellent question below, but based on the above, we know the answer.


    Why are some black Africans considered white Americans?
    Sudanese Americans do not fit neatly into the existing racial classifications of the American society

    ... My father - raised in a post-colonial Sudan mired in ethnic tensions and civil war - wondered aloud why the government was tracking pupils based on race.

    The administrator recommended that since Arabic is the language spoken at home, we should mark "white"; my father, whose adolescence was shaped by Frantz Fanon, Patrice Lumumba and Malcolm X, laughed. He patted his conspicuous Afro and wryly said, "We may speak Arabic at home, but you can clearly see that we are black" ...


    http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/op...nsidered-white-americans-170215073123425.html

    [​IMG]
    Sudanese Americans, like all African American and Black Muslims in the US, suffer from invisible intersectionality, writes Makki [Stephanie Keith/Reuters]


    [​IMG]
    by
    Hind Makki

    Hind Makki is a second-generation Sudanese American who works as an interfaith and anti-racism educator



    ...
     
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    [QUOTE="willa, post: 948680, member: 35993" What have I got against Bernie? ...nothing, but Socialism. He's the one who told us he is a Socialist -- boldly. I think he is a victim of believing the "veiled" fluff rhetoric he's been reading about it or learning from professors even in his college years.

    There is enough evidence of failed governments that was suffered by the people so that it is no longer without evidence on what the outcome will be. Clyde I respect your feelings on this topic. But for everyone else I wish to make some points.

    Cuba started out as a "Socialist" government with Castro. See where it has brought the people? Since President Obama has visited Cuba, the Castro brothers have said they don't want any gifts from the "Empire."

    Did you know that America is an "Empire" according to them (a government by a single ruler with many territories/states). So Emperor Obama was not that accepted. The reason the Castros and other dictators fear Democracy is because of its potential wealth. Its you and your personal spending on smooth lookin' cloths, the hot cars, your ability to see the doctor of your choice and go to private schools or at least have a vote in who heads up your local superintendents.

    In other words you have far too much freedom and cannot be controlled. Because, Socialist governments can be dismissed, voted out.

    If I didn't have a penny I could dine very well hanging out at Burger King or outside a restaurant. I would find food at the back of the kitchen or from someone who would have enough money to bring me out food. Socialism ends up where no one has enough money and businesses dwindle or are nationalized in the transfer from Socialism to Communism = Cuba.

    Lenin said "I am not a Communist", coining the term "I am a Democratic Socialist." Starvation and death ensued.

    Socialism enacts laws to mandate behavior and control money. So now to speak of the very real danger of our fuzzy and warm little Socialist Bernie Sanders. (I just love the way grandpa goes after Hillary who I see as Temperamental, self serving, and knows how to wield power against smaller classed people to achieve her way.

    And have we already been disappointed? Benghazi?)

    Sanders hates wealth, (Socialist) hates corporations where we get in on cheaper prices because of them, and they hire boat loads of people even still in their USA based businesses. Socialism is going to tax tax. And the worst of the worst is the brain washing that is going to enlarge even more, because they will tell you on TV how much better they know how to do things and make choices for you than you do.

    I already know the education department is loaded to feed our kids teaspoons of Marxist rhetoric, just like Kruschev (sp.) promised Communism would do. If anyone knows how Socialism/Communism works by teaspoons of rhetoric given to deceive the people, he did.

    Hitler raised a National Socialist Germany maintained by fascist oppression. Other Socialist nations do not have a quality of life because Socialist governments cannot "grow" business, like Sweden because the people are taxed 70% of their paycheck. The only way to create jobs is through a free market capitalism.

    Remember Bernie hates wealth from business or for business. He will tax it out of this world. Goodbye many American businesses and their jobs going to other countries. The free market protects people from the monopoly of government and super wealth.

    Did I mention that Bernie blames climate change as being directly related to Terrorism? He doesn't like talking about national security. Why?

    So why not vote for a Republican? Tradition? Really?

    My vote for the best sanity of all existing candidates would be for the intelligent application of government, Ted Cruz.

    If nothing I have said makes a difference, fine. Thanks for the opportunity.

    This is what I love about these forums, the free market place of many concepts and ideas. :heart:/QUOTE]

    But do you feel better now, having got that very very well written RANT off of your chest, and how are you coping with the REALITY of President Trump in 2017?

    Isn’t ANYONE who genuinely believes they are not programmed
    graphically illustrating that their programming is COMPLETE?
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    I talked about that on the thread, "#swing left and the Democrats Plan to take back the White House" Black People Politics forum.
     
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    [QUOTE="willa, post: 948680, member: 35993" What have I got against Bernie? ...nothing, but Socialism. He's the one who told us he is a Socialist -- boldly. I think he is a victim of believing the "veiled" fluff rhetoric he's been reading about it or learning from professors even in his college years. T

    here is enough evidence of failed governments that was suffered by the people so that it is no longer without evidence on what the outcome will be. Clyde I respect your feelings on this topic. But for everyone else I wish to make some points.

    Cuba started out as a "Socialist" government with Castro. See where it has brought the people? Since President Obama has visited Cuba, the Castro brothers have said they don't want any gifts from the "Empire." Did you know that America is an "Empire" according to them (a government by a single ruler with many territories/states). So Emperor Obama was not that accepted.

    The reason the Castros and other dictators fear Democracy is because of its potential wealth. Its you and your personal spending on smooth lookin' cloths, the hot cars, your ability to see the doctor of your choice and go to private schools or at least have a vote in who heads up your local superintendents. In other words you have far too much freedom and cannot be controlled. Because, Socialist governments can be dismissed, voted out.

    If I didn't have a penny I could dine very well hanging out at Burger King or outside a restaurant. I would find food at the back of the kitchen or from someone who would have enough money to bring me out food. Socialism ends up where no one has enough money and businesses dwindle or are nationalized in the transfer from Socialism to Communism = Cuba.

    Lenin said "I am not a Communist", coining the term "I am a Democratic Socialist." Starvation and death ensued.

    Socialism enacts laws to mandate behavior and control money. So now to speak of the very real danger of our fuzzy and warm little Socialist Bernie Sanders. (I just love the way grandpa goes after Hillary who I see as Temperamental, self serving, and knows how to wield power against smaller classed people to achieve her way.

    And have we already been disappointed? Benghazi?) Sanders hates wealth, (Socialist) hates corporations where we get in on cheaper prices because of them, and they hire boat loads of people even still in their USA based businesses. Socialism is going to tax tax.

    And the worst of the worst is the brain washing that is going to enlarge even more, because they will tell you on TV how much better they know how to do things and make choices for you than you do. I already know the education department is loaded to feed our kids teaspoons of Marxist rhetoric, just like Kruschev (sp.) promised Communism would do. If anyone knows how Socialism/Communism works by teaspoons of rhetoric given to deceive the people, he did.

    Hitler raised a National Socialist Germany maintained by fascist oppression. Other Socialist nations do not have a quality of life because Socialist governments cannot "grow" business, like Sweden because the people are taxed 70% of their paycheck.

    The only way to create jobs is through a free market capitalism. Remember Bernie hates wealth from business or for business. He will tax it out of this world. Goodbye many American businesses and their jobs going to other countries.

    The free market protects people from the monopoly of government and super wealth. Did I mention that Bernie blames climate change as being directly related to Terrorism? He doesn't like talking about national security. Why?

    So why not vote for a Republican? Tradition? Really? My vote for the best sanity of all existing candidates would be for the intelligent application of government, Ted Cruz. If nothing I have said makes a difference, fine. Thanks for the opportunity. This is what I love about these forums, the free market place of many concepts and ideas. :heart: /QUOTE]

    Willa, aren’t the various political ideologies very passé/DEAD in the 21st century due to the manner in which the current Chinese leadership has executed them, or haven’t you ALL noticed/noted the manner in which allegedly "Communist" China is currently the most efficiently CAPITALIST economy in the world [despite having a slowing economic growth rate of 8% as opposed to the difficulty the USA/UK most of the West are having getting their economic growth up to even anywhere near 1%] with the UK and USA’s so inept execution of capitalism creating record breaking fiscal deficits between imports to exports with the USA actually STILL owing China trillions of dollars [with ALL of the European countries apart from Norway and Russia in debt that ranges from very slim to impossible to pay back, who is going to foreclose on the USA’s trillions of dollars debt] TODAY?

    What about the so pragmatic manner in which as opposed to executing capitalism in Hong Kong when they regained political control in 1997, China’s Communist party/Government have subsequently utilized it as an economic template for their Super Cities on the mainland [hence the so phenomenal growth since then which has eased the so huge burden of feeding 1400 million people; placed China on the cusp of becoming the No.1 financial Super Power of the 21st century] apart from retaining state ownership/control of the banks?

    In fact isn’t it truly bizarre that China is so efficiently locked in to capitalism [who would have envisioned that scenario even 20 years ago] that they have no vested interest in undermining any of the industrialized countries of the West in general, the USA specifically as China’s growth has been based on the goods exported to the rest of the World, which along with the USA owing them trillions of dollars underlines the economic grief for China if the billions of dollars China has stockpiled, became worthless [why they are fanning out worldwide utilizing those dollars to acquire strategically vital resources and assets everywhere (Chinatown is ALWAYS in the centre, most expensive part of the capital/major cities of the Diaspora as opposed to the cheaper periphery)/can/are literally buying as opposed to militarily subjugating Africa TODAY]?

    Japan’s capitalism distributes wealth/behaves with far more social responsibility than most European countries, with India close to matching China’s economic growth utilizing a far more rampant free market/world’s most populous democracy model; along with Russia’s oligarchs steadily being either reeled in or crushed by Vladimir Putin, does the political ideology really matter in the 21st century, as South Korea vies with Japan for the most technologically advanced country on the plan et position, along with Malaysia, Singapore, Thailand, Indonesia and the Philippines attempting to fully industrialize/join the party too [move their countries forward intelligently]?

    Even more bizarre is our ongoing acceptance/truly devout support as people of African ethnicity of the current status quo or are you all truly unaware of the fact that ALL over the World including Africa, Europeans still LEGALLY own allegedly; all the land and resources they acquired during the looting, pillaging, RAPE of this planet in general, of OUR continent [Africa] in particular that Colonialism and Apartheid sanctioned as the norm [in fact aren’t THEY making the same play again with their WAR ON TERROR] as opposed to the longest list of unacknowledged/with no formal apology/reparations to date, unpunished Human Rights violations/CRIMES in human history?


    Isn’t ANYONE who genuinely believes they are not programmed
    graphically illustrating that their programming is COMPLETE?
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    RESPONSE CONCURRENT WITHIN ORISONS TEXT. Click to see.
     
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    [QUOTE="willa, post: 979926, member: 35993" RESPONSE CONCURRENT WITHIN ORISONS TEXT. Click to see./QUOTE]

    Willa, aren’t the various political ideologies very passé/DEAD in the 21st century due to the manner in which the current Chinese leadership has executed them, or haven’t you ALL noticed/noted the manner in which allegedly "Communist" China is currently the most efficiently CAPITALIST economy in the world [despite having a slowing economic growth rate of 8% as opposed to the difficulty the USA/UK most of the West are having getting their economic growth up to even anywhere near 1%] with the UK and USA’s so inept execution of capitalism creating record breaking fiscal deficits between imports to exports with the USA actually STILL owing China trillions of dollars [with ALL of the European countries apart from Norway and Russia in debt that ranges from very slim to impossible to pay back, who is going to foreclose on the USA’s trillions of dollars debt] TODAY?Just heard last night that we with Clinton Bush and Obama reached 5% and now we are moving toward 6%. So it is no 8% as you say.

    But when you have Communist controlled manufacturing and business where most the money goes to the government from the businesses I could see how there would be a higher rate of income as they are in forced partnership with everyone. Willa isn’t even 6% economic growth far better than any of the Western economies are doing, expecially with regard to their so large fiscal surplus with regard to imports to exports whereas what is your explanation of the USA’s still record breaking imports to export deficit and the fact that the USA owes China trillions of dollars TODAY [as opposed to vice versa]?

    What about the so pragmatic manner in which as opposed to executing capitalism in Hong Kong when they regained political control in 1997, China’s Communist party/Government have subsequently utilized it as an economic template for their Super Cities on the mainland [hence the so phenomenal growth since then which has eased the so huge burden of feeding 1400 million people; placed China on the cusp of becoming the No.1 financial Super Power of the 21st century] apart from retaining state ownership/control of the banks?
    As you say, Kings and Emperors have always had the lions weight of the gold. Why not just leave the DOGMA DINOSAUR zone Willa, just as supposedly “Communist” China have, or aren’t you aware of the fact that as opposed to destroying Hong Kong when its 100 year lease to the UK finished in 1997, they have utilized it [including its 20% tax rate] as the economic template for their mega cities on the Chinese mainland, hence the still surging economic growth in China since then?

    In fact isn’t it truly bizarre that China is so efficiently locked in to capitalism [who would have envisioned that scenario even 20 years ago] that they have no vested interest in undermining any of the industrialized countries of the West in general, the USA specifically as China’s growth has been based on the goods exported to the rest of the World, which along with the USA owing them trillions of dollars underlines the economic grief for China if the billions of dollars China has stockpiled, became worthless [why they are fanning out worldwide utilizing those dollars to acquire strategically vital resources and assets everywhere (Chinatown is ALWAYS in the centre, most expensive part of the capital/major cities of the Diaspora as opposed to the cheaper periphery)/can/are literally buying as opposed to militarily subjugating Africa TODAY]? But if you are thinking that China is buying up land in Africa to bless the people with free will, use their own example on their mainland. You’re nowhere near as frightened as I am by just how much money the Chinese have got, especially as I/WE all KNOW that in the inadequately secured shambles/state of most African countries in the 21st century, as opposed to invading Africa, isn’t it obvious that China can quite easily buy the resource rich regions because the CLUELESS or just openly treacherous NEGROBOTS misruling our countries would just sell it to the Chinese for a pittance [as highlighted by the vast tracts of Africa that they’ve bought on 300 year leases]?

    There is no individual free will. That goes for travel with some exceptions. Communist governments keep control of their citizens. The government officials always have more money and variety than does their citizens for food and housing. Whereas the USA’s Senators and Congressmen etc, ruling political elite are all impoversished are they, have less money than most ordinary USA citizens do they Willa, as opposed to mostly being multi-millionaires, or are you just being obtuse?

    Japan’s capitalism distributes wealth/behaves with far more social responsibility than most European countries, with India close to matching China’s economic growth utilizing a far more rampant free market/world’s most populous democracy model; along with Russia’s oligarchs steadily being either reeled in or crushed by Vladimir Putin, does the political ideology really matter in the 21st century, as South Korea vies with Japan for the most technologically advanced country on the plan et position, along with Malaysia, Singapore, Thailand, Indonesia and the Philippines attempting to fully industrialize/join the party too [move their countries forward intelligently]? Political party means everything. Because governments rule. When the wicked rule, the people mourn. We went techno in this nation. We have to bring our manufacturing back and that is being pursued now. In Communist governments there is no citizen voice. Japan is a good example. How is Japan a good example of Communism Willa, as aren’t you aware of their opebly democratic governemt and Capitalist economy including the Nikkei Index trading Exchange?

    Even more bizarre is our ongoing acceptance/truly devout support as people of African ethnicity of the current status quo or are you all truly unaware of the fact that ALL over the World including Africa, Europeans still LEGALLY own allegedly; all the land and resources they acquired during the looting, pillaging, RAPE of this planet in general, of OUR continent [Africa] in particular that Colonialism and Apartheid sanctioned as the norm [in fact aren’t THEY making the same play again with their WAR ON TERROR] as opposed to the longest list of unacknowledged/with no formal apology/reparations to date, unpunished Human Rights violations/CRIMES in human history? Well, I'm sure there has been some of that, especially for manufacturing countries. However, if we don't go to war against Terrorism, there will be absolute imprisoning of free will built upon blood and death, the destruction of the innocent. I’m hoping that your functional literacy really isn’t so very very easily compromised as am I the only one having a huge problem connecting your somewhat abstract assertions with regard to Western European nations ongoing maliciously evil onslaught/WAR on the rest of the human family generally, people of African ethnicity specifically?

    Also do you at all see any of the Communist States being into world protection of mother earth? China has been named the worst for air and water. Their's a reason they all wear surgeons masks when they go outside. Only in the last few years has China become this planet’s no.1 polluter, though they have [over 1300 million people to feed, whereas what is the USA’s excuse] over 4 times as many people as the US, and are YOU genuinely unaware of the FACT only comparatievely recently have the USA lost that No.1 polluter status to China?

    Isn’t ANYONE who genuinely believes they are not programmed
    graphically illustrating that their programming is COMPLETE? treszapotes1.jpg
     
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